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Server => Suggestions & Ideas => Topic started by: masterrbc on 23 Feb 2012, 06:24:33
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now i know that the decesion of selectin a new OP/Mod is upto the Admins/Staff, but i am suggesting that we should have a small election type thing for the selection, not just someone who is aproved of by the staff, but we have two candidates, two people that the admins aprove of, and we have an election to see who the public prefers. now as i stated, the decision is up to the Admins, but this is just a simple idea, now i have also though of the server just voting for who they please, and may select someone who is unfit to be the next moderator, but this, in my opinion is something that could be helpful? i sorta lost track here.... lol
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I quite like that idea :D
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not sure about this...
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Ye I see where you coming from, ask the players 'Who would be good and a helpful Mod/Op' and get them to decide between the two best candidates INEED and the Admins have decided upon :)
I would like the idea anyway :)
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I'm not too sure about this either :S
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We could always see what a Mod or Admin thinks, maybe one will comment on this thread :)
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I was speaking to Angel_Lord about this suggestion and she thought it wouldn't be as good as we think it would be because someone could come online and be a griefer but not grief the server until they become a Moderator as a group of them could come online and support one of the griefers until they become a Moderator which would cause havoc on the server. So if you have any responses for what she said, I'm all ears. :P
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She's quite correct. While it could be a good thing, it would also likely create a potential vulnerability to team-griefs.
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I was speaking to Angel_Lord about this suggestion and she thought it wouldn't be as good as we think it would be because someone could come online and be a griefer but not grief the server until they become a Moderator as a group of them could come online and support one of the griefers until they become a Moderator which would cause havoc on the server. So if you have any responses for what she said, I'm all ears. :P
I can see where Angel_Lord is coming from, but the players the Admins/Mods choose will be trustworthy, long time players, is a well known person in the server/forum community and knows the staff pretty well, like some of us do.
But it really boils down to personal preference on the Admins/Mods and who they think will be goo potential candidates. They are the ones picking the people first and us as a community decide who we think would be better suited for the role as a Mod :)
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I am in favour of this idea but I'd just like to say: someone could appear to be trustworthy but when they become a Moderator they could cause hell xD.
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I am in favour of this idea but I'd just like to say: someone could appear to be trustworthy but when they become a Moderator they could cause hell xD.
I know they could but I don't think someone would be willing to put the time and effort into the server just to become a Mod :/ but I suppose its just as easy to report a 'bad' Mod as it is to report a normal player, just screenshot everything :)
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I'm glad you guys do see where i am comming from. Karl, thanks for your support, i mean i personally would find this to be helpful if we can get the communities support in who THEY want to be the next Mod/OP, but this is just my little idea.
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I'm glad you guys do see where i am comming from. Karl, thanks for your support, i mean i personally would find this to be helpful if we can get the communities support in who THEY want to be the next Mod/OP, but this is just my little idea.
No worries :) if an Admin or INEED approves then maybe we can test it on the next moderator staff and then if that was successful maybe it would be posted on the home page in the news feed section :)
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I think you guys have a nice idea, the only thing is, people can nominate as many people as they, but it is really up to the admins. Minus the fact of haveing an untrusted griefer as an op, the admins have there own system of choosing new ops. So I Personally am not so sure this would be a good system in the long run. :/ Mainly just because, it would take a long time and hard to organize a system like this, plus the 4% of players who get chosen as moderators does not happen very often, so it might be easier to let the admins and INEED to decide.
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I think you guys have a nice idea, the only thing is, people can nominate as many people as they, but it is really up to the admins. Minus the fact of haveing an untrusted griefer as an op, the admins have there own system of choosing new ops. So I Personally am not so sure this would be a good system in the long run. :/ Mainly just because, it would take a long time and hard to organize a system like this, plus the 4% of players who get chosen as moderators does not happen very often, so it might be easier to let the admins and INEED to decide.
I know what you mean Lick :) but masterrbc meant that the Admins/Mods choose two very trustworthy, kind, willing etc... players and then us as the community decides which one of the two gets the position :)
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Nope! Wouldn't work because lets say the ops and admins do this voting idea. Then they say me and bc get chosen for the election I could just make lots of accounts and vote for me so it would be unfair.
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the fact that you would do that would be pointless because it is worth $20 or pound or whatever, it'd be useless to make excessive accounts to jote for yourself. Think about it! :P
and once again, thank you for seeing where i am coming from karl
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Nope! You never know it could happen.....
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Masterrbc, it doesn't cost to make a forum account so people could just put a random IGN in and if it works then they can vote...
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i was suggesiton we did it In-Game. not on the forums
i thought ahead, but forgot to add that.
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Nope! If we did the election in-game only 100 people could only vote. Also some might not be able to vote because of work, school, sleeping or on a holiday(Unless you play minecraft while at these places)
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From the sounds of it, you are more or less enforcing the major floors in thise and not even caring about the pros in this idea.
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Nope! What do you mean pros
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the good things about it....
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Nope!
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Nop.. never mind that's REALLY annoying.. Discussing masterr's idea of making the vote in-game would be fine with me as everyone can vote (not 100, I don't get where you got this idea from?) and the elections can carry on for, say a week? So then everyone has a perfectly long chance of getting their vote counted for.
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Yes! Ok I was thinking the vote being in an hour long or something so it could only hold 100 people due to the limit of how many can play at the same time. Anyway the voting still will be unfair! It would be a popularity contest then. Most people would vote for their friend or the one they know of the most when they might not be a good op/mod.
e.g. Bc and I have been chosen for the election. Bc is more popular then me so he gets more votes because of the popularity but might be a terrible op/mod. I am less popular and get less votes so I lose the election even though I would be a better op/mod then him.
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In your case then if masterr is a bad Moderator then he get's de-opped then that Moderator position goes to the next candidate with the most votes.
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And the voting was a waste of time.
Anyway dont you like it when they say who it is then knowing it's going to be one of 2 people.
Also then the admins will have to set up a voting place and waste there time on it.
Finally how do u vote. Voting is meant to be private so u dont yell and if we did have to the admins wouldnt be able to keep count.
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I don't even know why I'm trying to explain Masterrbc's ideas xD I guess we'll just have to wait 'til he gets back from wherever he is.
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This idea turned into an argument
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Not really.. just a heated discussion.
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That's what I meant.
Atleast everyone else on the forums can read this very interesting topic and see if they like it or not.
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This is gonna end in a popularity contest that is totally dictated by either 1. ppl making fake acounts to try to win or 2. On vet, vip or reguler player trying to give away free stuff in order to becom a mod + i'm not sure what these ppl know of running to become a mod some may have some eperience but i know from experience its grueling work and everyone's a critic D:
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It's not going to end up in a popularity contest unless people are stupid enough to vote for the person they like the most, they should take this seriously and vote for the person they think is best fit for the job, which may or may not be their closer friend. In response to your '1.': That is really dumb and stupid as masterrbc has already said that the voting will not be held on the forums. In response to your '2.': People giving away free stuff isn't what some people would do just to become a Moderator, that is extremely low and a form of bribery. I personally wouldn't do that.
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Personally, I don't support this. As said above, it would be just the most pupular person who would be voted on most (At least in some cases). It might end up destructively. I would rather leave decisions like this to the Staff.
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Tyber and clash have the right idea!
Also how can you vote?
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Maybe having a popular person as a Moderator is a great thing? You wouldn't want someone you hate to be a Moderator. What's the point in having a bad Moderator that nobody supports?
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Yes! Ok I was thinking the vote being in an hour long or something so it could only hold 100 people due to the limit of how many can play at the same time. Anyway the voting still will be unfair! It would be a popularity contest then. Most people would vote for their friend or the one they know of the most when they might not be a good op/mod.
e.g. Bc and I have been chosen for the election. Bc is more popular then me so he gets more votes because of the popularity but might be a terrible op/mod. I am less popular and get less votes so I lose the election even though I would be a better op/mod then him.
Cerealman41 your not seeing the side to it. I don't know if you have applied to be a mod/op before but I did it and INEED really like my application so what he did was gave me an interview per say and said some different scenarios and I answered them with what I would do. That's how they know if you are going to be decent enough and not a brainless idiot :) its exactly the same way as how someone becomes a mod anyway. Instead of the Admins/Mods making the final decision they just pick too players they really like and have interviewed and has the potential to be really good, then the community decides. It wouldn't necessarily go down on popularity :S
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Maybe having a popular person as a Moderator is a great thing? You wouldn't want someone you hate to be a Moderator. What's the point in having a bad Moderator that nobody supports?
Yes it is a good thing and no one will be paying £18 to make a fake account and it is done on a voting system and just put on the server as one of the hint/tip things "Vote now for who you think would be a good Mod" or something along them lines ... This is becoming hard to explain over messages I would need to be with you to explain this in more detail verbally!
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Skype perhaps? ;)
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Skype perhaps? ;)
Well ye I suppose lol but I can't be bothered to go on it now lol, I'm bushwhacked from work :P
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Yes! Ok I was thinking the vote being in an hour long or something so it could only hold 100 people due to the limit of how many can play at the same time. Anyway the voting still will be unfair! It would be a popularity contest then. Most people would vote for their friend or the one they know of the most when they might not be a good op/mod.
e.g. Bc and I have been chosen for the election. Bc is more popular then me so he gets more votes because of the popularity but might be a terrible op/mod. I am less popular and get less votes so I lose the election even though I would be a better op/mod then him.
Let me fix you on your example, if said scenario did happen, it would be likely that way because i help alot of people on the server. But i do see where you are comming from. If me and Linda were made mods, it'd be more likely she would have more people for her BUT, the fact that alot of the new players like the idea of me, i dunno, i feel like i am ranting on..... LOL!
And on friends server, They do voting in-game. all it is, is that you get a sign, Put the persons name on the wall and you leave as soon as that is done. They also leave the very final decision up to the head-mod. But we get to see who the comunity would like in their own prefrence. Look to some of you guys, it may not make sence, but i also came up with this idea because i thought it would make our server even more popular....... nvm :P
As Cereal and others were saying, It can be a popularity contest only IF, YOU let it become one. Going to your lil speach about giving away free items, i do that on a regular basis to help out all the new people and people down on their luck.
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Let me fix you on your example, if said scenario did happen, it would be likely that way because i help alot of people on the server.
Wow, I've never seen such a modest person in my whole entire life :O.
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Using signs as voting papers would be bad. Another person could break yours(unless it is protected by lwc. It would be easy to cheat by putting more then 1 sign down. To stop that you would need video surveillance meaning an op,admin or moderator standing in the voting booth for a whole week. They could also check who put down what sign . That has 2 downsides voting is private(and others can see to) so doing that wouldnt be nice and the admins would have to check 4000 different signs. Also where would u get the space for 4000 blocks.
Is the glass half empty or half full? It's half empty
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Using signs as voting papers would be bad. Another person could break yours(unless it is protected by lwc. It would be easy to cheat by putting more then 1 sign down. To stop that you would need video surveillance meaning an op,admin or moderator standing in the voting booth for a whole week. They could also check who put down what sign . That has 2 downsides voting is private(and others can see to) so doing that wouldnt be nice and the admins would have to check 4000 different signs. Also where would u get the space for 4000 blocks.
Is the glass half empty or half full? It's half empty
Cerealman41 seriously mate ...
1. Signs are automatically locked when placed
2. Just by left clicking the sign, it now tells you who that sign belongs too (An Admin/Mod could check the these signs to make sure there are no double signs)
3. There will definitely not be 4000 members posting a sign on one board! It would mostly be the usual members who are on everyday lol!
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Karl, i love the fact the you are making him realise what i've been trying to tell him and the fact is, is that i didn't really need to tell you anything about them being auto locked, btw karl +1 to ur respect. :P
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Aha thanks, I realise both sides of the story and I reckon your idea could work, there may need to be some things that need to be changed or added ... whatever. But I do know the point you are trying to make :) and Thanks for the +1 :)
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Well this is a good idea but so many things could go wrong. I prefer to let the admins choose.
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Well this is a good idea but so many things could go wrong. I prefer to let the admins choose.
^ I totally agree with Cereal
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I don't. Maybe if this idea doesn't work out - there needs to be some sort of way to get the community involved in the Moderator selection so the Noobstown team get a feel for who WE think will make a good Moderator.
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Let them decide.
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Daniel! Joe, Matt, James, Lawrence and Dylan are all much more experienced than all of our members so they're the people who need to decide who they want for their server as staff. Yes, it would be cool to have a moderator that most of the community like, but that doesn't make the person a good moderator just because the community prefer him/her.
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It doesn't matter if they are experienced or not, all that matters is if they choose the best possible person fit for the job. Including opinions from the wider community gives an idea for who they should choose. You're basically saying that we as the public can't let our viewpoints be heard by the Staff. Also, if the community votes someone in then that person will most likely do a better job of being a Moderator as they know that there are people that believe in that person to do a great job or else they wouldn't have voted for them.
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It doesn't matter if they are experienced or not, all that matters is if they choose the best possible person fit for the job. Including opinions from the wider community gives an idea for who they should choose. You're basically saying that we as the public can't let our viewpoints be heard by the Staff. Also, if the community votes someone in then that person will most likely do a better job of being a Moderator as they know that there are people that believe in that person to do a great job or else they wouldn't have voted for them.
No, that's where you've gone totally wrong, It does matter if the Admins are experienced because then that way they know who would be fit for the job. No, I'm not 'basically saying that we as the public can't let our viewpoints be heard by staff', where did you get this rubbish from? I didn't say that we aren't allowed to share our 'viewpoints' or suggestions/opinions on who we think would be fit for the job, all I'm saying is that the Admins should choose. That is my opinion, I accept that yours is the opposite, but I'm sure we're allowed to share our own opinions.
It would only be better if an Admin can comment on this topic because then we'd know what's happening instead of discussing something that isn't up to us.
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They don't need to be experienced to choose the best person fit for the job, they just need to choose whoever they think is trustworthy and can handle the pressure alongside having a good Moderator application form.
all I'm saying is that the Admins should choose.
^^^ The Admins are choosing.. they get to choose who gets put up for election, so therefore they are choosing, pretty much.
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they just need to choose whoever they think is trustworthy and can handle the pressure alongside having a good Moderator application form.
So because someone has a good application? Hmm think if there was someone that was really good with English and Grammar and they applied, that would make Joe or someone choose them to be a moderator? As easy as that? No, that isn't the way things are on Noobstown, the application isn't everything, people can act trustworthy. Amanda is a great Mod, but don't get me wrong, she was accepted quite quickly because she had a good application, seemed loyal and trustworthy, luckily it was a great choice because she is the person who she told us she was, she's great at the job. The person who accepted Amanda as a Moderator was ultimately sure that she would be fit for the job, it wasn't just a random guess. What if that was to happen again, but this time it was people who voted, the person got promoted to Moderator and banned a lot of people? Yeah, it could be fixed and we'd all be unbanned, but that would be all of us put on MCBans and that isn't a good thing because people don't put as much trust into you as they could.
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I think if you did do this you should first make a poll on the site and say free diamond if you vote on the site then hire the winner
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I wouldn't say free diamond, I would say something like 50-150 Noobz, A diamond is something more special for when the server reaches so many players and what not :)
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they just need to choose whoever they think is trustworthy and can handle the pressure alongside having a good Moderator application form.
So because someone has a good application? Hmm think if there was someone that was really good with English and Grammar and they applied, that would make Joe or someone choose them to be a moderator? As easy as that? No, that isn't the way things are on Noobstown, the application isn't everything, people can act trustworthy. Amanda is a great Mod, but don't get me wrong, she was accepted quite quickly because she had a good application, seemed loyal and trustworthy, luckily it was a great choice because she is the person who she told us she was, she's great at the job. The person who accepted Amanda as a Moderator was ultimately sure that she would be fit for the job, it wasn't just a random guess. What if that was to happen again, but this time it was people who voted, the person got promoted to Moderator and banned a lot of people? Yeah, it could be fixed and we'd all be unbanned, but that would be all of us put on MCBans and that isn't a good thing because people don't put as much trust into you as they could.
When did I say the application was 'everything'? Oh yeah, never. All I said was that the application is the most crucial part in becoming a Moderator, without it you won't be chosen to become one, so yeah it is VERY important that you have a good one. Yes people can act trustworthy but when people have been on this server for along time it's very sad if you just 'act' trustworthy. I agree with the whole Amanda situation but she obviously proved the Staff that she was worthy of joining the Noobstown Staff by having a good detailed application and a great in-game attitude to helping people. To become a Moderator you need to prove yourself fit for the job and if you don't then you wont become one.
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Your only telling me stuff I already know :S
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Ok, I think its time for me to say a few things.
1. I'm afraid this "Election" thing isn't going to work for the following reason:
If Allot of the users vote for a specific person, and then we don't choose that person, it could ruffle a few feathers in some people. And it's also not fair if people " gang up and vote" it's just not a good system to have on this type of server.
The server is where it is today because we have amazing moderators.
Also because Fatnoob and I have a very high standerd for moderation on both the sever and the forums, it really isnt a simple job, i must make sure that who ever im picking, can keep up to the extensive workload and is mature enough for the job. The point that im making is that the admins and i know exactly what were looking for in a good moderator,and that makes all the diffrence beteen the server functioning, and bad times.
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There we go problem solved INEED has said his view :) I think this debate is over :)
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so, i will lock the topic, if anyone wishes to continue, tell me or something, just PM me your views on it or what-ever, an Admin/OP/Mod (i know he i a mod, be quiet) has spoken. case closed, Topic locked :P lol