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Server => Suggestions & Ideas => Topic started by: clash99 on 6 Feb 2012, 15:01:28
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PLZ bring back lava its not right that you guys already banned fire but don't bann lava.If you guys keep taking away the exciting things slowly one by one people will start to leave.I know you guys don't want griefers but some things must be risked to have fun.
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Lava has been removed for ages :S, what would you need it for anyway?
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If you guys keep taking away the exciting things slowly one by one people will start to leave.
That is where you are wrong, lava is not exciting it just causes more and more griefs. If the Noobstown staff decided to make lava usable then the number of griefing incidents will rise dramatically as lava is an essential tool for a griefer. If you desperately want lava, perhaps try asking an Admin, then they will come over and see what you are using it for.
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Lava has been taken out recently, if I am not mistaken. It was taken out because like danniel said, it has been used to not only grief structures but kill people as well. The only option we had was to ban lava. If I recall, not even I am able to place lava anymore, which is strange because I was able to use some just a few days ago. Anyways, for now lava and fire are banned items.
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well you see with the removal of fire and mods having to be part of the town to light things for that town, it's ahrd to make fireplaces and other things, so i had found out about a secondary way of fire that dosnt burn nor harm, it only required lava to light a minecart for a moment, which i tried to do recently, but then such disappointment happened... i do know why you would remove lava but please nerf everything, if you could, can you at least enable fire but not it spreading? fire is easy to put out if it dosnt spread and people can get the large torchs or fireplaces they like and want.
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Lava was removed because of griefers pouring buckets on a players to kill them. I will look into re-enabling fire as its not as dangerous but with spread turned off.
Licksterboy: Sorry it says edited by Lick, I meant to hit quote... :P
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I am going to build tower of Barad Dur (Sauron's tower) and to do the eye part would require lava. Can a mod do that part for me when the time comes? Actually I might use netherrack and fire also. lol
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But lava is the only cool liquid yes its used as a wepon but thats what makes it cool.I really want lava even if its destructuve its essential
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But lava is the only cool liquid yes its used as a wepon but thats what makes it cool.I really want lava even if its destructuve its essential
It's not essential :S, It's just water, but a light source version and harms people. If fire is getting enabled, I guess it's alright for it to be nerfed, but lave can't be nerfed and will continue to be used inappropriately.
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I am going to build tower of Barad Dur (Sauron's tower) and to do the eye part would require lava. Can a mod do that part for me when the time comes? Actually I might use netherrack and fire also. lol
I think that would be fine, except mods are not allowed to use lava, I would ask an admin, I think lava will turn into a thing like fire has where you have to ask for it to be used, then a staff member will decide if it should be used depending on what you want to use it for.
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i know i miss lava too, but people would grief/kill with it so... we just gonna have to leave it
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Lava was removed because of griefers pouring buckets on a players to kill them. I will look into re-enabling fire as its not as dangerous but with spread turned off.
Licksterboy: Sorry it says edited by Lick, I meant to hit quote... :P
I just realized that fire is not so bad of a thing as long as you keep the fire spread off, except it can be used to kill people and wouldn't people be able to light their own nether portals? Unless of course there is a way to cut a lighting of a nether portal off too.
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not to mention lava plays a key role in cobblestone generators
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not to mention lava plays a key role in cobblestone generators
That's true..
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kawaii :3 <3
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I'd serious like fire or lava enabled because then we can make fire places
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lava's cool for mob traps,cobblestone generators,incenerator,(mob and item) eraser and moats
Fire's great for portals,fireplaces
Can u guys just consider lava even with its destructive fource its also useful for players and griefers
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If fire spread is off then could people light portals or not? Because if you can then you may need to consider the fact that you removed fire to stop portals being lit thus creating lag on the server.
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Would it be possible to allow lava only in towns? (where we autoheal and pvp is off) Since that is the primary place people would be legitimately using lava.
Sure it could be dangerous, but only to the extent that people are misusing it. How many players were using lava to grief compared to those using it for lighting/cobble/mobgrinders.
I know it's a headache to have to deal with offenders, (I've been admin on other sites), but i'm under the impression there are always going to be tradeoffs and I'd like to encourage the admins here to consider carefully the tradeoff of people's enjoyment of the game being less hindered and the time/effort it takes to deal with offenders.
Regards,
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Would it be possible to allow lava only in towns? (where we autoheal and pvp is off) Since that is the primary place people would be legitimately using lava.
Sure it could be dangerous, but only to the extent that people are misusing it. How many players were using lava to grief compared to those using it for lighting/cobble/mobgrinders.
I know it's a headache to have to deal with offenders, (I've been admin on other sites), but i'm under the impression there are always going to be tradeoffs and I'd like to encourage the admins here to consider carefully the tradeoff of people's enjoyment of the game being less hindered and the time/effort it takes to deal with offenders.
I agree 100% with this method of dealing with the issue.
Regards,
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Yeah thats what i'm trying to say thx German and i need to talk to u when u get on just look for me
:D
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Clash I completely respect that your opinion on lava being cool and awesome. And you are completely right it is awesome, I've made castles with big bridges running across motes of lava and it looks badass. Although I hope you can understand it is dangerous and potentially a hazard to other peoples belongings. Lava and Fire have been disabled and re-enabled for a long long time now and our player base is just fine.
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If fire spread is off then could people light portals or not? Because if you can then you may need to consider the fact that you removed fire to stop portals being lit thus creating lag on the server.
If fire spread is off, you cant light portals.
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Id take lava any day over fire.
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Would it be possible to use some sort of plug-in to make it so that lava could only be placed on specific blocks? Like you could only place a bucket of lava only on diamond blocks, obsidian, or something hard to obtain like that so people wouldn't be able to just place lava to kill someone, they would have to place a hard to break and find block down first them put the lava on top of it; which would give someone ample time to put some distance between themselves and the lava before it's placed and depending on the block used it would be fairly difficult or impossible (without the right pickaxe) to reset. Also if the block was hard enough to get, it might not be practical to grief with especially with fire spreading off and the best part of all of this will be all the cool things people would be able to make with lava again! Sorry about the run-ons and the length. :X Anyway think about it!
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Or how about you let only mayors and TA's place it only in their town that way it reduces griefes because in towns only friends and the owner could break it and I know for sure if i invested my time to become a Ta it woud suck if my status was taken away.
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Would it be possible to use some sort of plug-in to make it so that lava could only be placed on specific blocks? Like you could only place a bucket of lava only on diamond blocks, obsidian, or something hard to obtain like that so people wouldn't be able to just place lava to kill someone, they would have to place a hard to break and find block down first them put the lava on top of it; which would give someone ample time to put some distance between themselves and the lava before it's placed and depending on the block used it would be fairly difficult or impossible (without the right pickaxe) to reset. Also if the block was hard enough to get, it might not be practical to grief with especially with fire spreading off and the best part of all of this will be all the cool things people would be able to make with lava again! Sorry about the run-ons and the length. :X Anyway think about it!
if your tl;dr heres the short version: can you make lava on harder to break or harder to obtain blocks?
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I still think you should bring back lava in town so that people can creat peaceful buildings with them or alternativly you can put a plugin so that lava only brings you to a half of a heart or something.
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I still think you should bring back lava in town so that people can creat peaceful buildings with them or alternativly you can put a plugin so that lava only brings you to a half of a heart or something.
I see people saying "you should get a plugin" "you can put a plugin".. It's not always that easy to find a good, updated plugin that will work with all the other plugins that this server has installed.
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Yeah maybe you should just llow Ta's and mayors to put lava it would ease up the trouble of griefers over allowing all players to put it down
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Yeah maybe you should just llow Ta's and mayors to put lava it would ease up the trouble of griefers over allowing all players to put it down
and for this i give you a YES!
YES!
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Yeah so can an admin approve of this idea because i'm itching to create a cobble stone generator for port magma
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Clash, I think we have already told you, but lava and fire are being are staying disabled. We also couldn't let mayor and TA use them because how do we know that they are not a griefer or killer? My suggestion, ask an admin if they can just place a bucket of lava where you want it. I am not sure about that though, I'll have to double check if admins do that or not.
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Maybe a probation period where a member isn't allowed to use certain items until they have been a member x amount of time?
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well you see the reason for only a mayor or TA to use lava is good because....
1) TA's are generally only trusted people chosen by mayor
2) mayors can't exactley BE mayors if they are corrupt enough to grief/kill
3) if by some chance they DO kill/grief, residents can leave said town and move to one that wont do such
4) again i say, cobblestone gens for the towns!
5) if a TA or mayor puts the lava and or fire for a town resident, that person will know what will happen to the lava or fire and accept or deny the placement of such fiery substance
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Yeah nick has a good point ppl who do put enough time into one server must be devoted and probably wouldn't waste so much time or money just to put down lava
I do respect your point Lickster but to say the truth most admins have become complacient with their lives or are usually too buzy to tp to everyone who wants to put a bucket of lava down AND deal with griefers it would be a little bit too muh work 4 them I checked the bukkit plugins and it turns out the "Big Brother" plugin has a few limitations.
another problem is hackers which can mess up the server
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I am sorry for all the unconvinced all of you are having, but for right now you will just have to live with no lava and fire. Clash you are right about admins being busy, they are working on a lot of cool and new stuff for the server. I am sure if the server is able to get a plugin like that they will look over it. We will just have to be happy and have patients so the admins can help us with our lava needs.
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well you see the reason for only a mayor or TA to use lava is good because....
1) TA's are generally only trusted people chosen by mayor
2) mayors can't exactley BE mayors if they are corrupt enough to grief/kill
3) if by some chance they DO kill/grief, residents can leave said town and move to one that wont do such
4) again i say, cobblestone gens for the towns!
5) if a TA or mayor puts the lava and or fire for a town resident, that person will know what will happen to the lava or fire and accept or deny the placement of such fiery substance
This seems perfectly reasonable, why would a Mayor/TA grief their own town? After paying 100,000 noobs for a town, it would be great if that came with some added abilities, like placing lava/fire in my town. As long as I can ONLY place it in MY town I can't really grief. Sure I could grief my own villagers, but they would just leave.
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well you see the reason for only a mayor or TA to use lava is good because....
1) TA's are generally only trusted people chosen by mayor
2) mayors can't exactley BE mayors if they are corrupt enough to grief/kill
3) if by some chance they DO kill/grief, residents can leave said town and move to one that wont do such
4) again i say, cobblestone gens for the towns!
5) if a TA or mayor puts the lava and or fire for a town resident, that person will know what will happen to the lava or fire and accept or deny the placement of such fiery substance
This seems perfectly reasonable, why would a Mayor/TA grief their own town? After paying 100,000 noobs for a town, it would be great if that came with some added abilities, like placing lava/fire in my town. As long as I can ONLY place it in MY town I can't really grief. Sure I could grief my own villagers, but they would just leave.
Good thought indeed. But I'm not sure if that's possible with permissions/towny. Though I'm sure that I could personally write a small plugin that could handle that. XD Wouldn't be hard really, and could be of benefit to towns. *shrug*
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well you see the reason for only a mayor or TA to use lava is good because....
1) TA's are generally only trusted people chosen by mayor
2) mayors can't exactley BE mayors if they are corrupt enough to grief/kill
3) if by some chance they DO kill/grief, residents can leave said town and move to one that wont do such
4) again i say, cobblestone gens for the towns!
5) if a TA or mayor puts the lava and or fire for a town resident, that person will know what will happen to the lava or fire and accept or deny the placement of such fiery substance
This seems perfectly reasonable, why would a Mayor/TA grief their own town? After paying 100,000 noobs for a town, it would be great if that came with some added abilities, like placing lava/fire in my town. As long as I can ONLY place it in MY town I can't really grief. Sure I could grief my own villagers, but they would just leave.
What if I were new to the server and seemed like a nice, chatty and helpful person so you gave me TA a few hours later or the next day... Then I griefed with lava or fire, people go to amazing extents to hurt others in any way they can.
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well you see the reason for only a mayor or TA to use lava is good because....
1) TA's are generally only trusted people chosen by mayor
2) mayors can't exactley BE mayors if they are corrupt enough to grief/kill
3) if by some chance they DO kill/grief, residents can leave said town and move to one that wont do such
4) again i say, cobblestone gens for the towns!
5) if a TA or mayor puts the lava and or fire for a town resident, that person will know what will happen to the lava or fire and accept or deny the placement of such fiery substance
This seems perfectly reasonable, why would a Mayor/TA grief their own town? After paying 100,000 noobs for a town, it would be great if that came with some added abilities, like placing lava/fire in my town. As long as I can ONLY place it in MY town I can't really grief. Sure I could grief my own villagers, but they would just leave.
What if I were new to the server and seemed like a nice, chatty and helpful person so you gave me TA a few hours later or the next day... Then I griefed with lava or fire, people go to amazing extents to hurt others in any way they can.
And thus a potential solution, only mayors (and mods/admins obviously) are able to place lava/fire within town borders. That could be a possible solution.
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Either limit the power to mayors, or expect Mayors to have better judgement (The citizens might leave if the Mayor is stupid).
An alternative would be to let players place lava/fire on plots they own. Thus they must pay for the right, and the land belongs to them. Then by definition anything in that plot is their property, and they could not grief others. Then an individual is responsible for permitting others to place lava/fire in that plot. Just as we can give others access to chests.
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well you see the reason for only a mayor or TA to use lava is good because....
1) TA's are generally only trusted people chosen by mayor
2) mayors can't exactley BE mayors if they are corrupt enough to grief/kill
3) if by some chance they DO kill/grief, residents can leave said town and move to one that wont do such
4) again i say, cobblestone gens for the towns!
5) if a TA or mayor puts the lava and or fire for a town resident, that person will know what will happen to the lava or fire and accept or deny the placement of such fiery substance
This seems perfectly reasonable, why would a Mayor/TA grief their own town? After paying 100,000 noobs for a town, it would be great if that came with some added abilities, like placing lava/fire in my town. As long as I can ONLY place it in MY town I can't really grief. Sure I could grief my own villagers, but they would just leave.
What if I were new to the server and seemed like a nice, chatty and helpful person so you gave me TA a few hours later or the next day... Then I griefed with lava or fire, people go to amazing extents to hurt others in any way they can.
OBJECTION! statement 1 deals with that, there is never a set limit to be a TA and i know how you trying to get across with "fake trust-idge" but, you can make them TA and you can un make then TA
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well you see the reason for only a mayor or TA to use lava is good because....
1) TA's are generally only trusted people chosen by mayor
2) mayors can't exactley BE mayors if they are corrupt enough to grief/kill
3) if by some chance they DO kill/grief, residents can leave said town and move to one that wont do such
4) again i say, cobblestone gens for the towns!
5) if a TA or mayor puts the lava and or fire for a town resident, that person will know what will happen to the lava or fire and accept or deny the placement of such fiery substance
This seems perfectly reasonable, why would a Mayor/TA grief their own town? After paying 100,000 noobs for a town, it would be great if that came with some added abilities, like placing lava/fire in my town. As long as I can ONLY place it in MY town I can't really grief. Sure I could grief my own villagers, but they would just leave.
What if I were new to the server and seemed like a nice, chatty and helpful person so you gave me TA a few hours later or the next day... Then I griefed with lava or fire, people go to amazing extents to hurt others in any way they can.
OBJECTION! statement 1 deals with that, there is never a set limit to be a TA and i know how you trying to get across with "fake trust-idge" but, you can make them TA and you can un make then TA
Not before it's too late.
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No more voids please...
Remember that we can easily rollback all that damage.
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Very true, it might happen once in blue moon and then be fixed. But takes no more to fix than block breaking. As long as few people have the ability the chances that this will happen is low.
And a mod could go rogue just as easily, sure they are screened but I once played on a server where this really nice OP and everyone loved him. Week later he WorldEdited the entire world to lava and force saved. There were no backups/rollbacks due to the server being on a transitional version (plugins not up to date). It happens, we can either trust no one or trust that we will probably catch the bad eggs before they crack.
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Our dear Joe has VERY high standards for his mods
on does not simple
GO rouge on the server