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Azurega

Nova Tree Farm Dilemma?
« on: 2 Nov 2012, 22:56:03 »
Hey guys,

I'm a submayor at Nova, and it seems that there's a problem between one of our citizens and the mods that's causing some confusion. This isn't a ban appeal yet, obviously, but I'm hoping to get some clarification and maybe a solution before it gets to that point.

This citizen, Redfocus, has come to me telling me that he's been told he's at potential risk for banning again due to not replanting in our tree farm that he built for us. However, after talking with him a few times, I am convinced that he is not responsible for this, and he maintains he didn't grief the last time this happened, either.

Obviously, I can't know because I can't be online at all times, but after talking with him, I believe he's not responsible. He was the one to build the tree farm, plant all the trees from his own pocket, and post signs requesting that others replant. Those trees were his that he planted for us...

When he was banned for not replanting, he said he went and paid over 500nbz or so to replace all the saplings, and now it's happening again. He spends a lot of time maintaining that farm, from what I can tell, so, while I might be wrong, it seems odd that he'd tear down one specific section and leave it unplanted. He says he's not been using that area of the farm at all recently...

I promised him as TA for the town, I'd ask around and try to seek out help and advice on the forum. If what he tells me is true, I want to make sure he doesn't get wrongly punished. :)


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The trees in question are Jungle Trees. He's planted them in single block spaces, which I was under the impression you couldn't do (I thought a 2x2 plot was required?). So, I'm wondering if they could possibly be 'dying' or despawning because of this, and the mods are detecting his interaction in planting them as him cutting them down?

Not sure. Is there anything abnormal that could be causing the detection of Redfocus not replanting? I'd love to come up with a solution here without banning this Nova member, who's generally been very helpful and rule-abiding.


Any advice or thoughts from any mods etc? Is there something that I'm missing, or is the evidence against this member simply too convincing? I'm considering just closing up this one small area if I need to, but if it's just a problem with the jungle trees glitching or acting strangely, that'd be nice and easy to fix.


And if I seem to be missing something or don't have the facts right, let me know! :) I'm only speaking on what I know of the situation so far, and want to make sure if he's banned, it's because he certainly did it, and not due to a glitch or something. Any advice on what I can do would be welcome.

Thank you, guys! You're all doing an amazing job, and hopefully we can find a good solution here, too! :)

RedFocus

Re: Nova Tree Farm Dilemma?
« Reply #1 on: 3 Nov 2012, 00:16:58 »
i would like to honestly clarify  the last time i got temp banned it was for an honest mistake of not replanting a mistake and i did forget my own rule because i was drawn away from the sight suddenly but it was an honest mistake and i learned from it and i never forgot. Now this is just happening when i didnt do it and it was for jungle sapling which i didnt touch, so its for a different part(i got temp banned for forgetting the oak saplings not the jungle). I got temp banned for forgetting to plant oak spaling but im not a greifer i just forgot and i would never mean real harm but i know i didnt do anyhting else to hurt my tree farm and everything that Azurega said is true. I have spoken to the mods and they have said no one is accusing me but  i would like to know who told one of TA of our town i was going to be banned and why only i show up when we look for the greifer. What if there was a real greifer i want to know why we cant find the real griefer? Im not being banned but i still want to know whats going on?

Orpheus_only

Re: Nova Tree Farm Dilemma?
« Reply #2 on: 3 Nov 2012, 00:21:17 »
Hmm. What about narrowing down the culprit? Make sure perms are set right (r--), to rule out non-residents? Or even disable all perms for a short time to see if the problem is replicated without anyone touching it. (The town staffers and architect would have unconditional build/itemuse perms everywhere, right?)

Clarifying question: Is it, single jungle trees, one block apart? (making sure it's not 2x2 jungle trees). Single trees that are one block apart would generally be a poor design, if the saplings grow naturally. (It would be great for the bonemeal-treefeller method though). I've experienced saplings being uprooted when another sapling right next to it grows naturally (probably due to block update).
« Last Edit: 3 Nov 2012, 00:22:49 by ummfredfelizco »

Azurega

Re: Nova Tree Farm Dilemma?
« Reply #3 on: 3 Nov 2012, 00:30:09 »
hehe sounds like some misunderstandings. :P Sorry, guys. :)

Thanks, ummfred. I guess we're going to have to try to close it out for a bit and see what happens, maybe. I'll go check the perms and whatnot, too.

And to clarify, they are one block width thick (the trees) with a couple blocks between. We may be shifting jungle trees elsewhere soon for better efficiency on those. :)

Just wanted to be sure our resident was safe and spoken for if something was gonna happen. We'll test a few things in the meantime.

Thanks again, ummfred. :)

Duelcon

Re: Nova Tree Farm Dilemma?
« Reply #4 on: 3 Nov 2012, 00:36:58 »
Let me try to clarify the situation once and for all, as there is definitely some misunderstanding here.

When I answered the /grief placed by Redfocus, the method we use to detect grief and who last broke a block in those locations only showed me that player: Redfocus destroyed the trees and saplings.  As they were the one that planted them there in the first place, there was no 'grief' involved, but I could not roll back the area.  There was no danger of being banned in that case, but I did warn against leaving the area open and filing multiple /grief reports on blocks that you break.  The only thing we can go by is what the blocks tell us.  The reason I did not temp ban Redfocus is because of this fact.  I did inform winglessraven of the mishap so that the town could take measures to fix the issue.  I apologize that you mistook my words as a threat to you being banned, but that simply is not the case here. 

If you have any questions or more concerns about this issue, feel free to /msg me in game or send me a PM here through the forums.

Azurega

Re: Nova Tree Farm Dilemma?
« Reply #5 on: 3 Nov 2012, 00:59:49 »
Thanks for the attention, Duelcon! That's exactly what I needed to know! :)

We'll take care to cover it in-town, then, and deal with it as best we can. I'll send you a message if we've got any further questions or concerns!

RedFocus

Re: Nova Tree Farm Dilemma?
« Reply #6 on: 3 Nov 2012, 02:32:49 »
Well I think that sums everything up. Thanks everybody :D! Everything is clear now.