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EttaDreamfeather

Salvage Wrecked?
« on: 10 Nov 2014, 07:29:01 »
So I just achieved level 1000 repair and was looking forward to finally be able to use salvage... only to discover that it's completely ruined now. While it's quite a rub to learn it's now a child skill of Repair and Fishing, which means that I would be forced to leveling the boring fishing skill in order to get much out of the skill, it's even more of a rub to learn that Salvage isn't even working the way it used to.

The way I understand it Salvage now lets you salvage damaged items after a certain amount of levels [2000 in the case of the server, which would probably be around level 2000 repair and 2000 fishing considering how it adds the skill levels together and then divides them by two. And after you attain Advanced Salvage you STILL have to level the skill up in order to get more than 1 ingot for even a slightly damaged piece of armor/tool.

Now maybe I could live with that (although really? Level 2000 repair and fishing in order to even unlock the skill? Barely anyone even has 1000 repair, let alone fishing) but what I find most rubbing is that I only get one ingot/item back from even a fully-repaired piece of armor/tool. I've tested it several times.

A helmet pre-Salvage change would give me five ingots back when I salvaged it. Now I only get one back. And it doesn't matter what the item is. It gave me back one ingot whether I was salvaging a helmet or pants, both of which require different amounts to create.

So... what's the point of the Salvage skill now when it's completely useless? I'd rather just sell the armor/tools after repairing them then waste them for just one ingot/item back.

itisnotyou

Re: Salvage Wrecked?
« Reply #1 on: 10 Nov 2014, 07:39:24 »
The new salvage comes with two passive abilities:
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Arcane Salvage

Unlocks at Salvage level: 0, (default setting: 125)

This ability allows you to get enchanted books when salvaging enchanted items. Depending on your level the chance of successfully extracting a full or partial enchantment varies.

When an enchantment is partially extracted, the enchantment book will have a lower level enchantment compared to what it was on the item.

Advanced Salvage

Unlocks at Salvage level: 2000 (default setting: 350)

When unlocked, this ability allows you to salvage damaged items. The yield percentage increases as you level up. A higher yield means that you can get more materials back. With advanced salvage you will always get 1 material back, unless the item is too damaged. So you don't have to worry about destroying items without getting anything in return.

To illustrate how this works, here's an example: Let's say we salvage a gold pickaxe which is damaged for 20%, this means that the maximum amount you could get is only 2 (because the pick is crafted with 3 ingots - each worth 33,33% durability) which is equal to 66%. If your yield percentage is below 66% you are not able to get 2 ingots. If it is above this value you are able to gain the "full amount", which means that you will get 2 ingots.
So it is still possible to get more then one item if your salvage level is high enough. As a bonus feature it now also is possible to salvage enchants. This sounds nicer in the long run, but now it is unfair for this who've worked so hard to get up to repair level 1000.
edit: added correct levels
« Last Edit: 10 Nov 2014, 10:34:22 by itisnotyou »

EttaDreamfeather

Re: Salvage Wrecked?
« Reply #2 on: 10 Nov 2014, 08:02:03 »
But the point is that Advanced Salvage should not be effecting fully repaired items. It says exactly in the text there "this ability allows you to repair damaged items". It should in no way be effecting fully repaired items, as that is not part of the ability.

My repair is at 1001, my fishing is 157. My salvage therefore is only at 578. Now let's take the highest ranked players in both those stats. Repair highest is at 1134, highest fishing is at 702. Now if that was the same player [and it is not] their salvage skill would be at 918. Not even 1000 yet.

So therefore to get Advanced Salvage they'd need 1082 more salvage levels, which you would then double due to averaging Repair/Fishing, and would be 2164 more levels in repair/fishing. Just to even get Advanced Salvage. Even after all of that hard effort..... you'd still be stuck only getting 1 ingot per item salvaged.

Who knows how many more hundreds of levels [weeks/millions of noobs/etc] you'd have to slog through to even manage to get 2 ingot/items per salvage.

I spent probably 3-4 weeks putting time into fishing just to get level 157. And I spent probably more than 1.5MNbz just to get from 700-1000 repair. I can't imagine the insane amount of time and money you'd have to get to 2000 in each skill just to unlock the ability.

Foob

Re: Salvage Wrecked?
« Reply #3 on: 10 Nov 2014, 15:30:02 »
Hey,

With the new update to Mcmmo this was a temporary solution whilst we looked into the new settings, we have hot fixed this today and the rates should be more reasonable/achievable.

ItsLawrence

Re: Salvage Wrecked?
« Reply #4 on: 10 Nov 2014, 15:32:45 »
The way McMMO controls salvage has completely changed, there isn't anything we can do about it, we currently use the existing McMMO plugin, so we have to follow any updates they implement.

The levels of salvage (and levels required to get advanced salvage etc.) are likely to change, they were simply set quickly yesterday when we noticed the change to ensure the stability of different things on the server short term. Earlier today we reviewed the settings and have lowered the level required for advanced salvage and have increased the possible items gained from salvaging.

As for why you only got 1 ingot; the higher your salvage level the more you get back. The levels go on for several thousand (the exact levels haven't been released) so you need to remember that there is progression as you go up the levels, so even if you are at 1000 that might only be a small percentage of the overall level. When you're trying to savage say a chestplate (which would max out at 8 ), the chances are that you aren't going to get much back as, as a percentage of the max skill you might not be very far.

I can understand your annoyance as you worked so hard to reach the level of repair to get salvage but we have to accept the change and understand it's actually a fairer system to work up towards getting a better salvage than it randomly starting at an arbitrary number. You also need to understand that salvage can also now be much more powerful with the ability to restore and gain enchants from items.

Foob

Re: Salvage Wrecked?
« Reply #5 on: 10 Nov 2014, 23:40:15 »
See, every time those who work their butt off to achieve something on this server get punished (because that is sure how it feels like) with nerfing, or restricting in one way or another, or raising the limit, or smiply like this, making it basically available to everybody.

Motivate me again why I play daily and do my best to do something positive?

Twisted, I am with you on this one, I spend half a million of hard earned noobs to get the resources to salvage, so I can be 'nice' and provide free salvage to others as a service from my town. And god knows how many resources I've used to have grind parties, paying for advertisements and donating stacks of diamonds and iron to others in the party to help them and us to get up.

Just to come back a week later to find it was all for damn nothing.

No matter how you sugar coat this, .. I feel like whatever we do with an effort is just ruined one way or the other.

We don't purposely spend our entire evenings, weekends, holidays and any free time we can possibly get to working on a server to punish our users, so please don't even suggest such a thing. First of all, we don't develop McMMO so whenever we are 'required' to update something, we will do it without question because the older version of McMMO does not function correctly or support the build we need to move Noobstown forward with. We apologize for the disturbance to your skills as I can clearly this has had an impact, we're doing our best to work with the new settings they've added and make the system fair again. Constructive feedback is always welcome rather than just telling us we're punishing our users or moaning in-game which will a) Not solve this issue b) Creates unnecessary drama and c) Is completely disrespectful.

I run this server for the community and the community alone, I don't play this server as a user; I enjoy making the experience and seeing people enjoy something that we've created together; as a whole. So please, let us work together and deal with these changes maturely. Feedback is always welcome.
« Last Edit: 11 Nov 2014, 00:27:05 by Fatnoob »

EttaDreamfeather

Re: Salvage Wrecked?
« Reply #6 on: 11 Nov 2014, 00:17:12 »
Personally have to say I'm pleased with the response, it's nice to know that it wasn't intentional. I hadn't gotten any information about it, all that the latest thread said was that some updates were made and parties were cleared, so I had no idea what was going on when I wasted several armor/tools and kept getting one ingot back.

It's a lot better to have Advanced Salvage placed at Salvage level 750, which would be a total of 1500 levels in repair + fishing, than at 2000. Much gratitude for that, I had no idea if 2000 was what it was permanently at or just a temporary thing.

I'm also pleased to hear that fishing will be getting easier to level as well! This is definitely going to give me more reason to level fishing, I quit with that skill a long time ago just because I got distracted in other things. Now I have something to level when I'm not doing other things.

So just a little calculation here, if anyone really wants Advanced Salvage but doesn't want to get a single level in fishing it should work that you can get 1500 repair and still get advanced salvage. Since the formula should be = (Repair + Fishing)/2 = Salvage, this means that if you had 1500 repair and 0 fishing you would end up with:

(1500 + 0)/2 = 750, tada Advanced Salvage! There's all kinds of ways you can get yourself up to level 750 Salvage between Fishing and Repair, especially with Fishing going to be easier to level whenever they have that figured out.

[Hm this sounds like a good reason to get some fishing parties together to have some community fun while raising each other in fishing party.... la di da just sayin']
« Last Edit: 11 Nov 2014, 00:19:47 by TwistedLover »

BamaGirl365

Re: Salvage Wrecked?
« Reply #7 on: 11 Nov 2014, 21:53:08 »
It is easy to say that I respect the hard work you guys do to get the server to where it is now, and to keep it that way. It is also easy to say that when things go wrong that it sucks. However, it's also easy to say that it sure feels like it that each time we have worked hard on a skill that it gets nerfed, or restricted, or limited due to some update, or whatever the excuse is for that particular time.

Maybe they have good reasons for nerfing, restricting, or limiting skills, and sometimes they can't help it. But there is nothing that we can do but get over it, move on and not complain because they know what they are doing. Like I said they probably have good reasons for doing so. So for now enjoy the game and server until it gets fixed.

BamaGirl365

Re: Salvage Wrecked?
« Reply #8 on: 12 Nov 2014, 14:33:52 »
The part of your comment I am referring to is " However, it's also easy to say that it sure feels like it that each time we have worked hard on a skill that it gets nerfed, or restricted, or limited due to some update, or whatever the excuse is for that particular time." To me that looks like complaining.

DrewG2001

Re: Salvage Wrecked?
« Reply #9 on: 12 Nov 2014, 22:42:51 »
:D Just got an idea! lets just pretend that this is vanilla Minecraft and be thankful for the extra items/time we get/save. :D