Town: Pirates Cove (Final WARNING to all residents)  (Read 1801 times)

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B1g_P3rp

This has been brought up in the past and unfortunately it needs to be brought up once again.  As a reminder to the residents of Piratescove, and everyone on the server.  Griefing (yes even griefing crops that are not YOURS) is not permitted on the server unless given permission from the owner of the land).  The residents of Piratescove have time and time again been culprits to griefing others and it needs to stop. 

AQW, you need to stop giving "Warnings" to people who grief (especially those who belong to the town of Piratescove).  No other moderator on the server gives warnings for griefing.   

Residents of Piratescove you need to respect those that built their creations around you far before your town was even established on this server.  Not all of us want to build in towns, and as a member of the server we all have a right to building in the wilderness.  That does not give you the free will to destroy what the rest of us spent many hours building.  A majority of the Noobscraft Community work full time jobs IRL and can only get on the server for limited amounts of time.  I'm sure I speak for many when I say I don't want to spend my time fixing what you destroyed or waiting for a Mod to get online to rollback the damage.  Even though a rollback takes a few moments, it is still dejecting to work hard on something and have people decide to grief it. 

If you are not sure what counts as "griefing" please ask a moderator.  They will happily inform you. 

~ B1g_P3rp (Owner of Summer Gables)
 

EttaDreamfeather

Re: Town: Pirates Cove (Final WARNING to all residents)
« Reply #1 on: 9 Oct 2012, 04:56:45 »
I hate to disappoint you, but AQW is not the only moderator who gives warnings to people for griefing. If the griefing is light enough that it seems like the person simply didn't realize it, I give them a warning. It's perfectly fair, and it helps people realize that what they're doing is actually a grief. That way we're not simply cruel and strict and just ban immediately for every single offense, even if it's so light it really should simply be warned instead.

People from all towns grief, that's a simple fact and singling out one single town is rather rude and disrespectful. I've had quite a few griefers from my own town as well. It doesn't mean anything. People grief, no matter where they're from, town, wilderness, anywhere.

Singling out one town isn't going to make the owners of that town feel good, they're going to feel like they're personally attacked whereas they shouldn't have to feel like that. They didn't tell their residents "Go out and grief, go wild over it" and they shouldn't be treated as if they did.

While it is nice of you to remind people that griefing is against the rules, you did not have to do so in such a rude and antagonistic manner. That only causes antagonistic attacks back and makes people dislike one for being rude.

Duelcon

Re: Town: Pirates Cove (Final WARNING to all residents)
« Reply #2 on: 9 Oct 2012, 07:19:38 »
I would also like to add that Moderators work under a set of rules given to us by the Admins.  If you have an issue or problem with the way we work or do things, you should take it up with Water or Foob.  Instructing us on how to do what we have been tasked to do by the owners of this server is very disrespectful, and quite unnecessary. 

King_Androlph

Re: Town: Pirates Cove (Final WARNING to all residents)
« Reply #3 on: 10 Oct 2012, 03:19:47 »
It seems to me the moderators are looking at this situation the wrong way (subjectively).  As stated, this seems to be a common trend for Piratescove since the griefing issue had to be brought up again. 

For the moderators to get defensive about this being brought up is in-and-of-itself rude and disrespectful to the person posting, and to others on the server who might experience the same problem.  Why post something that is obviously a server-rule breaker and needs to be addressed, if the mods will just get defensive at you?  A simple, "Thank you for your concerns, we will look further into the matter" seems like an appropriate response to the situation.   

In addition, I don't see that B1g_P3rp's comment was directed to every moderator on the server.  Only AQW and how he handles griefing from the residents of Piratescove.  You can obviously tell he is having problems from them, and if all the moderator does is give a "warning" than how will they learn?  You can say, "Well now they know not to do it again."  Ok yes, but that doesn't stop them from telling other residents to do the same grief knowing that their punishment is a slap on the hand.

Go onto the server ban appeal forums and look at the moderator and admin responses to griefing (even minor ones).  A vast majority of admins and mods were punishing the griefers with a temporary ban.  If you break 1 block then yes a verbal warning seems fair.  If you take out an entire farm, house, bridge, whatever..ehh now that "warning" seems like a slap on the hand.     

Duelcon, you are right.  Moderators do work under a set of rules given by the Admins.  But, as stated numerous times by Waterworth, Fatnoob, ItsLawrence, and INEEDANAME; griefing is unacceptable in all circumstances and is punishable by a ban (temp and/or perm).  It seems to me what seems to have been "tasked to do" by the Admins is that griefing needs to be punishable and shouldn't be deemed an "accident". 

Reading B1g_P3rp's comment about AQW definitely shows a sign that tells me this problem has happened many times with no resolution by the "warnings" that were given out.  It seems to me he has been patient with the griefing matter time and time again.  But, after the 100th time of your land being griefed I too would have to agree with posting about it on the forum to get the issue out there.  Maybe by the residents of Piratescove seeing this post they will realize "maybe we shouldn't destroy things that don't belong to me or my town." 

I'm disappointing to see this get blasted by moderators.  Instead of going after the person who post this saying this was "rude and disrespectful", why not try to help fix the problem at hand?  You can tell this isn't a 1st time occurrence, and this is happening by different people who all reside in Piratescove.  If a town has residents who commit multiple griefs then I 150% support someone calling that town out and saying, "Hey!  Look at what your fellow residents are doing to the area around you."  Don't support that kind of behavior! 

I fully support this post being made public, and I hope that the griefing on B1g_P3rp's land comes to an end.  I also hope that our moderators will learn to have more OBJECTIVE opinions when commenting on posts involving server rule breaking.     

Treewood_

Re: Town: Pirates Cove (Final WARNING to all residents)
« Reply #4 on: 10 Oct 2012, 03:25:13 »
I just walked from Piratescove and found the Gables.  I saw about 10+ signs all around the surrounding area saying "Do not grief these buildings you will be banned".  That to me seems like a fair enough warning to me.  If someone goes onto the gables and starts to grief it I definitely think that person should be temporarily banned no doubt about it.

B1g_P3rp

Re: Town: Pirates Cove (Final WARNING to all residents)
« Reply #5 on: 10 Oct 2012, 04:00:27 »
Thank you for the support.  I appreciate it.

I'm not looking to start a fight.  As I stated above this has happened before...

NOTICE TO PIRATESCOVE RESIDENTS
Residents of Piratescove,

Please respect your fellow neighbors to the west and north of you.  There have been over 10 grief reports reported in the past 7 days involving griefers from your town.  You are not only causing a hassle for the noobscraft people building these houses/buildings/creations...but you are ALSO causing hassle for the moderators that need to take time away to fix these griefs from your fellow residents.  If you are a member of Piratescove please respect the server rules and the members of the noobscraft community.  Please keep in mind griefing is NOT tolerated on this server and it is a serious offense.  If something is not yours, do not grief it. 

If you have any questions, please see your local moderator.

Thank You!

...and I hope this will finally bring some change that will make the Noobscraft community and world a better place to build in.


Duelcon

Re: Town: Pirates Cove (Final WARNING to all residents)
« Reply #6 on: 10 Oct 2012, 04:42:02 »
The staff works together as a team, and I only have one thing to say about this again.  If you have a problem with the way the staff  is handling a situation, take your concerns up with an admin.  I'm locking this topic now.  Any further discussion on the subject of moderators not handling situations appropriately will be removed from the forums. 
« Last Edit: 10 Oct 2012, 04:44:11 by Duelcon »