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Oscarmike06
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Use of chest shops and the power they have to control the economy of a server!!
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16 Nov 2012, 07:07:57 »
So first off I will start by talking about the /shop. The /shop is ran by the admin as a convenience to the members. Personally when I read the forums about how the admins should up the prices in the /shop or should do this or that I think about how that would shatter the economy of this server. I have played on a server where the only means of economy was based on the chest shops, I believe that offering the least that can be offered in the /shop is for the best of the server. Why would you want to have every time so a player could just type /buy ------ 64 and get that item or just sell that item. Honestly I feel that if anything should happen to the /shop it should be taken down. When the shop was down it made you - the members- have to go to the chest shop to buy and sell or do a chat trade.
Seastore - This really is a topic to it self, but I will give my thoughts of Seastore. Seastore is just like every other big business IRL they have the power to control the market. So what does the competitors do they: match prices, try to offer better deals, have sales. But, that is not the issues that everyone is talking about and honestly I do not understand why people hate the Seastore. Personally I do not buy very much to anything thing from Seastore I try to stick to the members of DragonFire to buy from. Selling is a different matter I sell the DragonFire members first but if it is an item I want to get rid of I will sell to Seastore. So personally I do not care that Seastore is open and everyone needs to remember that you are NOT BEING FORCED TO CONDUCT BUSINESS WITH THEM, it is by your own choice that you do. Seastore like stated by a few members makes a good addition to the market place.
I know this topic was "closed" but about the court really!!!!. Just one point, we already have a "court" - the admins are the judges and the mods are the jury. The mods have the power to make choices but when it comes down to it the admin can overrule them. Having a court would just make matters worse. Also "I know it will never happen" but if there was a court formed I believe that if you take the admins and mods away the next group of people that would be in charge of the server would be members that donated. The people that have donated have put real money into the server and would have a clear head on the goodness of the server , if nothing else to make sure there money was not wasted on a server the would have to be shut down.
So personally I think people need to step back and let the admins and mods do their job and make the server a wonderfully place to be.
edixsabourin
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Re: Use of chest shops and the power they have to control the economy of a server!!
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16 Nov 2012, 07:14:38 »
I think your right because there are some interesting businesses out there like redwood and seastore. There is also other places like the town shops. The only problem is when chests are full. That can be a problem that people will be raged at. But I agree if everything you say including the court
Oscarmike06
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Re: Use of chest shops and the power they have to control the economy of a server!!
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16 Nov 2012, 07:20:58 »
Honestly the chest being full should not be something someone gets raged about and owners of other shops would treat their shop like a real like shop then their would not be that problem. Everyone is upset, hurt over Seastore taking business, but when chest are full or empty then that is when the other shop have the chance to shine and 9 out of 10 shops do not put enough effort into the shop to make them have an chance.
EttaDreamfeather
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16 Nov 2012, 17:50:17 »
The only comment I have on this really is the whole "shop should be taken out completely". What would people do with all the cobble/dirt/wheat/potato/carrot/sugar they collect up? The farming business would be completely erased, because no one buys from chest shops for them. I would know this personally, I sold produce at one point in time, and no one bought from me. They only wanted to sell.
If the shop was taken out fully then people would just have a bunch of useless cobble and dirt that they throw away like in normal SP (Which I did, when I wasn't using it to build something. And since this is a server, pretty much most people already have their home and just want rid of the stuff). This means that they're wasting items that could have been used to get even .5N each, which when you think of how much cobble and dirt you get normally, that's quite a shocking loss of profit.
Mass-selling things that people can easily get themselves, like dirt, cobble, and farm produce, it just doesn't work with chest shops. The government in the USA has to actually pay farmers to produce foods because
it doesn't sell.
If it didn't pay them they'd literally be losing thousands of dollars and not be able to live at all. So trying to force people to sell through chest shops won't work. It doesn't work in the real world, it
won't
work in a game where it's even easier for people to get the produce items, especially from town farms.
Overall I believe the global shop should stay for simple things like farming products, dirt, and cobble, because hardly anyone will buy mass amounts of these, and the other stuff could just stay in chest shops because we don't need to be able to do /buy clay 1000, or whatever we want to buy. It makes it more interesting to go out and hunt it down yourself, or get it from someone else.
Chevleon
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17 Nov 2012, 16:15:58 »
I buy from sea store because they had cheap diamonds but now their out of stock so now I buy from other stores that have cheap diamonds. I wuv diamonds
Nebih
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Re: Use of chest shops and the power they have to control the economy of a server!!
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17 Nov 2012, 21:12:50 »
Man, I don't know where to begin on What I disagree on...
/shop needs to stay in the game.. It is one of the best aspects of Noobstown. Back in V1-3, You could literally buy/sell anything and everything. Just be glad it is there, because now we can sell things really easily without having to find a shop that is empty.. Seastore is.. well.. that I can agree with you on. Even though it IS unfair that it is a 2 plot thing. And I should be against the rules. Considering they do have a form of pixelart on it. (Seastore in blocks). The court is something that just needs to be dropped. It is pointless. The admins and Mods can handle most (Okay all) of the issues on the server.
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Craftixen
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17 Nov 2012, 21:36:22 »
Regarding Seastore:
We are three owners who work together to make a good shop, that is our goal. Yes, we have made it look like one big shop, but it really is three different shops, beside each other. It is free for everyone else to do this, and you can actually work together two or more players in one shop-plot (more players than the shop owner can have shop-chests in one shop-plot), which others also do. I see nothing wrong on co-operation like this.
We checked with the mods before doing this, and got permission to do it. Now, that our shop is a success, which may effect other shops in the Market, people complain. How is it possible that we can control prices? We sell exactly the same things as many others do on the market. If we sell it cheaper, why is that something to complain about? If we have higher prices, what is wrong with that? It is how the market works, and we work inside these rules. We don't go off buying other shops empty of their items to control prices either (like someone actually does).
So, the only thing we do different than others is work under the same roof, literally. And the only deal we have with each other is what to sell. Debo sells something, MasterRahl other things, and I sell my things. That is the only hint of control we have, but I can't really see how that effects the prices or the economy at all.
Some paint a picture that we have exploited something within the system, when the truth is that we have worked hard, and continue to do so, to keep a good shop up and running. We all could make money faster with just grinding wood or something else, but we find it more interesting to try run this shop as good as possible.
If the mods and admins still think we are doing something outside the rules, then we will of course remove the shop. But if we haven't done anything wrong, then the anti-Seastore brigade shouls stop. It is okey to complain about our prices, that is a normal thing when you have a shop. But to accuse us of controlling the economy is getting ridiculous.
TheZestyLemon
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17 Nov 2012, 23:50:26 »
Just too add into Nebih's point, if the so called "Pixel-Art" of the Seastore logo is against the rules then how come for a very long time now has the market plot which holds the "7-11" not been demolished or subjective too these rules because surely that too is Pixel-Art, yet it has been there since the day I joined the server and nobody has bat an eyelid about it?
What Craft stated is however correct, there is nothing stopping others from adopting the idea of "more than one chest owner per plot", but the simple fact of the matter is nobody has, or well nobody has done it effective enough too get the publicity, I for one hold a completely unbiased opinion about Seastore and think it's a brilliant addition too the Marketplace and brings many new members too the area, wanting too buy shops or wanting too better that store and other stores in the vicinity!
I understand why people would get all uptight over the ideology of the whole multiple plots linked but in no way does it control the market, I for one would completely understand however if say the Seastore was on the front row of the market instead, then it would be relevant too complain about the lack of business others are getting but it isn't. IMO.
edixsabourin
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Re: Use of chest shops and the power they have to control the economy of a server!!
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18 Nov 2012, 21:45:20 »
Sea store is a really nice store that 3 people built. And that is what makes the server great
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