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sunnycat10

Block no. 43:8
« on: 14 Oct 2013, 13:24:12 »
There is a really nice looking block, the smooth double slab block, which have the ID of 43:8 . that is prefect for building but non obtainable is survival.

http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/File:Newstoneslab.png

Now the question is, is there any chance we will get special block shop in V6 that have this block?, and do you guys actually want to have option to get this block?

Jackmwoodall14

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #1 on: 14 Oct 2013, 16:33:32 »
Perhaps they may add it to the token shop/points shop.  Or minecraft will invent a crafting recipe out for it as soon as that block has been released.

(Copying and pasted what it said on that wiki)
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the block has been changed to a Nether Brick Slab. It changed to block id: 43:7
« Last Edit: 14 Oct 2013, 16:38:34 by Jackmwoodall14 »

HarryX11

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #2 on: 14 Oct 2013, 17:06:36 »
It looks cool, but I agree with Jack: We should wait until whenever they get the crafting recipe for the double stone slab, or have Foob add it to the shop for like 2 tokens a piece

Batuus

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #3 on: 14 Oct 2013, 17:15:43 »
I think it would be a great idea to have some trade setup, where you trade in 2 stone slabs for this block, It seems fair enough to me.

sunnycat10

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #4 on: 14 Oct 2013, 17:18:20 »
Quote from: Batuus on 14 Oct 2013, 17:15:43
I think it would be a great idea to have some trade setup, where you trade in 2 stone slabs for this block, It seems fair enough to me.
Actually it is really good idea, because it is just 2 stacked stone slabs, so as you say it is really fair trade.

Darkwings

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #5 on: 14 Oct 2013, 17:27:46 »
There's a difference bewteen "not available in surivival" and "not available in the game".

That block was introduced more than 1 year ago in the code but it's not accessible in any way in the actual game, not even in creative.
You need an editor to do that, just like many other things (stacked entities, attributes, etc).

In the past you could find some of the blocks that you could only obtain in creative mode in the vip shop (sponge, cracked bricks, etc) but this isn't the same case and we don't know what will be accessible in the vip shop (if there will be one).


In my opinion it doesn't make a lot of sense to offer such things in a shop (knowing that it could be directly sold back to other players) if they want to mantain a decent economy.

This would also include stuff like sponge, whose only purpose in V5 was to help building underwater (something that worked only in beta anyway) and became a high-end currency as a result. That's not even close to survival.

If it's not possible to obtain in survival then it shouldn't be in a survival server (shop or not), as simple as that.
« Last Edit: 14 Oct 2013, 17:31:29 by Darkwings »

sunnycat10

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #6 on: 14 Oct 2013, 17:42:56 »
Quote from: Darkwings on 14 Oct 2013, 17:27:46
There's a difference bewteen "not available in surivival" and "not available in the game".

That block was introduced more than 1 year ago in the code but it's not accessible in any way in the actual game, not even in creative.
You need an editor to do that, just like many other things (stacked entities, attributes, etc).

In the past you could find some of the blocks that you could only obtain in creative mode in the vip shop (sponge, cracked bricks, etc) but this isn't the same case and we don't know what will be accessible in the vip shop (if there will be one).


In my opinion it doesn't make a lot of sense to offer such things in a shop (knowing that it could be directly sold back to other players) if they want to mantain a decent economy.

This would also include stuff like sponge, whose only purpose in V5 was to help building underwater (something that worked only in beta anyway) and became a high-end currency as a result. That's not even close to survival.

If it's not possible to obtain in survival then it shouldn't be in a survival server (shop or not), as simple as that.
I see your point, and your right about the sponge issue. but first of all it is available in the game, using just the /give command, or the console to get it, is not meaning it is not in-game.
second, this block is just alternative for the normal stacked slab, which mojang wanted to replace the old stacked block, but did not make it because they was busy with 1.4 and 1.5 other snapshots.
and third, i don`t see how should it wreck the economy, as it is just alt for the block we have right now and each one of this block is worth just one piece of stone. ( 3 stone = 6 stone slab = 3 double stone slab block).

Darkwings

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #7 on: 14 Oct 2013, 18:23:56 »
If it's available for just 2/3 stones (since it is indeed made of stone), good.
If it's available for currency, not good.


That was what I meant.
Especially with a VIP shop, if you start adding ways to convert real money into game money right from the start the economy won't even get a chance, the first who'll buy a bunch of such blocks will decide the price.


About the /give command, I wasn't very accurate.

When you create a single player world, you are automatically assigned all administration permissions.
If you are an operator in the server not only you can play the game, but you can also decide the rules.

Probably I should have used the term "gameplay" instead of just "game":
Creative mode is a game mode within the gameplay, just as Adventure is.
Having operator status is unrelated to gameplay (and to game mode as a result).

If you are not granted operator permissions you can't change neither your own or others game mode and you can't use commands, no matter what your current game mode is.
No operator => normal player (even in Creative) => no full double slab.


About other hard to find blocks, the novelty of having them in a build would disappear if anyone could just buy them. Building wihtout limitations just for aesthetics belongs to Creative.
This last part is unrelated to this block, just my 2 cents on the matter.

sunnycat10

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #8 on: 14 Oct 2013, 18:34:05 »
Quote from: Darkwings on 14 Oct 2013, 18:23:56
If it's available for just 2/3 stones (since it is indeed made of stone), good.
If it's available for currency, not good.


That was what I meant.
Especially with a VIP shop, if you start adding ways to convert real money into game money right from the start the economy won't even get a chance, the first who'll buy a bunch of such blocks will decide the price.


About the /give command, I wasn't very accurate.

When you create a single player world, you are automatically assigned all administration permissions.
If you are an operator in the server not only you can play the game, but you can also decide the rules.

Probably I should have used the term "gameplay" instead of just "game":
Creative mode is a game mode within the gameplay, just as Adventure is.
Having operator status is unrelated to gameplay (and to game mode as a result).

If you are not granted operator permissions you can't change neither your own or others game mode and you can't use commands, no matter what your current game mode is.
No operator => normal player (even in Creative) => no full double slab.


About other hard to find blocks, the novelty of having them in a build would disappear if anyone could just buy them. Building wihtout limitations just for aesthetics belongs to Creative.
This last part is unrelated to this block, just my 2 cents on the matter.
I understand your point, and you are right about the operator permissions thing. and yes i was mean from the start that it will be cheap block that have same ratio 2/3 stones maybe a bit more., because there is no point of having them for irl currency. (won`t work, as it is just decoration blocks and not technical things like spawners or rare materials)

Batuus

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #9 on: 14 Oct 2013, 19:00:15 »
Quote from: sunnycat10 on 14 Oct 2013, 18:34:05
Quote from: Darkwings on 14 Oct 2013, 18:23:56
If it's available for just 2/3 stones (since it is indeed made of stone), good.
If it's available for currency, not good.


That was what I meant.
Especially with a VIP shop, if you start adding ways to convert real money into game money right from the start the economy won't even get a chance, the first who'll buy a bunch of such blocks will decide the price.


About the /give command, I wasn't very accurate.

When you create a single player world, you are automatically assigned all administration permissions.
If you are an operator in the server not only you can play the game, but you can also decide the rules.

Probably I should have used the term "gameplay" instead of just "game":
Creative mode is a game mode within the gameplay, just as Adventure is.
Having operator status is unrelated to gameplay (and to game mode as a result).

If you are not granted operator permissions you can't change neither your own or others game mode and you can't use commands, no matter what your current game mode is.
No operator => normal player (even in Creative) => no full double slab.


About other hard to find blocks, the novelty of having them in a build would disappear if anyone could just buy them. Building wihtout limitations just for aesthetics belongs to Creative.
This last part is unrelated to this block, just my 2 cents on the matter.
I understand your point, and you are right about the operator permissions thing. and yes i was mean from the start that it will be cheap block that have same ratio 2/3 stones maybe a bit more., because there is no point of having them for irl currency. (won`t work, as it is just decoration blocks and not technical things like spawners or rare materials)
I say, just have some trading system where you can trade in stone slabs, or stone blocks for 43:8.

86maxsmart

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #10 on: 14 Oct 2013, 19:09:39 »
Kinda going a bit off topic here, but one of the players on this other server I was playing had this block...

http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Command_block

I'm not trying to start a new discussion, just thought it was interesting.

Max

sunnycat10

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #11 on: 14 Oct 2013, 19:13:00 »
Quote from: 86MaxSmart on 14 Oct 2013, 19:09:39
Kinda going a bit off topic here, but one of the players on this other server I was playing had this block...

http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Command_block

I'm not trying to start a new discussion, just thought it was interesting.

Max
Well if someone have this block he is probably server admin, as command blocks... used to enter commands with redstone pulse.

Xavier1964

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #12 on: 14 Oct 2013, 23:47:30 »
the command block? it is a weird block. i made a couple single player worlds with that, one of them a failed zombie apocalypse map. the other is a survival world with cheats. but i wont go into that now. the command block can be tricky to use. but it is so worth it. LOL

deebles17

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #13 on: 17 Jan 2014, 13:39:02 »
They can't allow command-line, because you can give yourself rare blocks, ranks, and do any bulking command that the admins disabled. Sure it would be nice, but it would get chaotic, too.

deebles17

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #14 on: 17 Jan 2014, 13:40:01 »
Blocks I mean

HarryX11

Re: Block no. 43:8
« Reply #15 on: 17 Jan 2014, 20:55:55 »
Well on another server I played on, the command block was disabled so only admins in creative mode could use them (we tried doing that because Olah and I had a base underground that you couldn't get up out of and could only get in through TPA)
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