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Hillbill159

Suggestion
« on: 23 Jan 2013, 01:58:14 »
Banned or not I feel this suggestion is to be considered.


I fair trial on all bans, as I've noticed this server has no remorse towards rule breakers, which is fair and understandable but at the same time it's not.

Players should receive a 'trial' were they're under strict watch for (X amount of days/hours) for any forms of rule breaking, if the rule is broken again or a different rule is broken, their punishment thus becomes a permanent one with no consideration and no ban appeals.

But as far as bans go it's all accusations, they are only a set amount of things the staff can give 100% proof of, and for the ones that can't it's an unfair justice.

To also note, some rules being broken only results in a suspension for x amount of days, while players get banned instantly for bad language, large portion greifing, xraying etc. 
« Last Edit: 23 Jan 2013, 02:02:19 by hillbill159 »

MagicMan27

Re: Suggestion
« Reply #1 on: 23 Jan 2013, 03:58:12 »
1. Every ban is made with accurate proof against said person

2. Your idea of "strict watch" is what the mods already do after a person is being warned

3. It makes sence that some types of bans are less then others IE. a small greif vs. a large greif

4. If you do not think that it is fair, then thats why people make appeals

These are just my opinions on this, don't take offence in this

Hillbill159

Re: Suggestion
« Reply #2 on: 23 Jan 2013, 04:08:29 »
It's not even the fairness it's the fact they only go off of what 'proof' they have. They don't even listen to exactly what your telling them, they just want to be thick skulled and go off what proof they have, which ironically i bet if a player asked to see, they wouldn't let them.

As well they don't warn aside from language.

You're expected to read the rules and never break one of them.
Language is the only one you ever get warnings for.
« Last Edit: 23 Jan 2013, 04:18:35 by hillbill159 »

Waterworth

Re: Suggestion
« Reply #3 on: 23 Jan 2013, 13:10:05 »
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1) NO HACKING
If you are found using any kind of hack from an x-ray texture pack to a fly mod you will be punished. Any modifications to your game that give you an advantage over other players is classed as hacking and or exploiting. This rule also includes exploitation of in-game bugs and game mechanics, including those of third party modifications.

2) NO EXPLOITING
Finding a bug in the game and not reporting it is against the rules however you won't be banned for finding a bug, but if you don't report it we will have to take further action.

3) NO SCAMMING OR ADVERTISEMENT
You should not use Noobscraft's services for commercial gain. Promotion of other servers is unacceptable. Advertising is defined as sending Ip's but is not limited to this. Scamming is also disallowed. Stealing someone’s in-game currency or items is unfair, you will be punished appropriately if you 'scam' a player.

4) NO SPAMMING OR BAD LANGUAGE
We do not accept bad language in any shape or form, We also do not accept racism, discrimination, and harassment. You are expected to speak politely and maturely in the chat. Also for Moderation purposes we do not accept any other language than English in Global chat, however this doesn't apply in /msg or Local chat. Spamming is defined as but not limited to 'Sending Pointless Annoying Messages' it also includes sending several of the same message for no reason, excessive use of *'s or symbols can also be seen as spamming/swearing as they can be mistaken for swear/cuss words due to our language filters.

5) NO GRIEFING
Ruining other peoples hard work is a big No, if you are found griefing blocks that don't belong to you, or you don't have permission to break/use you will be punished. Griefing is very disrespectful and is frowned upon in the Noobscraft community.

6) NO STEALING
Like griefing, theft is not allowed. Stealing other people’s property is against our rules and you will be punished accordingly. Item protection plugins are implemented into the server so that your items can't be stolen.

7) RESPECT ALL PLAYERS AND STAFF MEMBERS
Respect is one of the main aspects of our community, all of our players should treat each-other with respect, and how they would want to be treated, this also applies to Staff members, you must give Staff members the utmost respect when they are dealing with problems. If you do not respect players and or staff you will be punished or even removed. Even if players are disrespecting you, do not disrespect them back, inform a staff member or make a report. You must respect staff members, as they respect you as members, if you have any opinions or questions about something, please speak to a Moderator privately instead of speaking about it publicly and causing an argument - this also applies to staff members.
1. Hacking always instant ban, because of the danger towards the server.

2. Exploiting is an instant ban, because of the damage it can do to the economy - (However if a player admits to this before hand and reports the exploit they will not be banned.)

3. You are warned for Scamming and Advertising, then if the advertising persists, the player will be banned.

4. If you swear you will be given temporary bans, if then you continue to swear you will be permanently banned.

5. You get 3 warning with griefing (First is the initial warning when you sign up not to grief), then if you grief twice you will be permanently banned, however this can be appealed, and most players normally have their appeals granted.

6. If you steal other players property you will be given a warning, in rare occasions you will be banned for stealing.

7. You will be temporarily banned for disrespect towards players or staff, if you then come back to disrespect twice you will be permanently banned.

We give warnings for a lot of the Noobscraft rules, and we will also give proof on request in ban appeals, however ban appeals are currently open to the public to see, this would mean everyone can see the 'proof' and we don't really want to humiliate someone or ruin their reputation on the server.

We also do try to investigate/monitor people but as we have some recent inactivity in our staff team this hard to do.

Licksterboy

Re: Suggestion
« Reply #4 on: 23 Jan 2013, 15:19:20 »
It's not even the fairness it's the fact they only go off of what 'proof' they have. They don't even listen to exactly what your telling them, they just want to be thick skulled and go off what proof they have, which ironically i bet if a player asked to see, they wouldn't let them.

As well they don't warn aside from language.

You're expected to read the rules and never break one of them.
Language is the only one you ever get warnings for.
We ban based on proof because of the fact that many players who break rules lie to us. Almost 100% of time, if you ask someone if they broke a rule, they will say no or blame someone else. Proof is kept private due several reasons such as personal privacy and the whole server doesn't need to know that this particular person broke a rule.

In my opinion we are totally fair, we give people the ability to make a ban appeal, some of us hand out many warnings, and rarely has a case of banning someone who actually is innocent occurred. Keep in mind, we are not allowed to ban players without proof. You should be able to trust us that we are doing the best thing for the server when banning players.

Hillbill159

Re: Suggestion
« Reply #5 on: 23 Jan 2013, 17:14:25 »
I honestly don't feel the server staff is doing there best, i'd like to honestly but I have to question it, not because of me just because of what i see every day. I've also asked for the proof of my ban to be shown and it was ignored. (In private)

I can't even have faith in the staff of a server, it's rather sad.
« Last Edit: 23 Jan 2013, 18:56:13 by hillbill159 »

Halikar

Re: Suggestion
« Reply #6 on: 23 Jan 2013, 19:11:45 »
I honestly don't feel the server staff is doing there best, i'd like to honestly but I have to question it, not because of me just because of what i see every day. I've also asked for the proof of my ban to be shown and it was ignored. (In private)

I can't even have faith in the staff of a server, it's rather sad.

Having been staff/admin in another game environment, I'm going to say that in my experience this argument is almost always given when players expect totally different things than the staff/server/community are designed to give. You can go to a McDonalds and expect to be given high quality steak, but since it is not on the menu the error is in the expectations, not what is offered.

Communities of any sort cannot reasonably cater to every kind of person. It's just not realistic. All that means is that if you are finding that your expectations are not sufficiently in line with whats being offered, you are in the wrong place and need to continue your search for a community that is more in line with them. Sure, the community can be wonderful and get high marks in lots of other ways, but your expectations are yours, and only you can reasonably be expected to fulfill them.

Putting that task on others and being upset when they fall short is only setting you up for constant disappointment.

Duelcon

Re: Suggestion
« Reply #7 on: 23 Jan 2013, 20:23:36 »
Our Job as staff is to ensure the safety and integrity of the server.  Based off of the rules we have in place, and extensive investigation into any report or incident of rule infringement, a warning, suspension, or ban is put in place.  Such is the way of the server, and while not everyone agrees with it, and it is certainly not a perfect system as those who created it are human, it is what is.  I am sorry that you feel you have been slighted, but I assure you any and all appeals are reviewed and the case is looked over by not just one, but many of the staff members that are hired to help.  This is not a public court system, nor is this some dictatorship where a ruler enforces his own whims and ideals on to others.  This is a private server, with a certain ruleset and punishment system that is followed.  While you may feel it is unfair based off of whatever standards you hold true, that is not the case.  You are entitled to your opinion just like everyone else, but you must remember that when in an on-line community such as this, it is up to the Administrators to set the rule and set the punishments as they see fit for their product.  There's nothing more we can convey or tell you other than the fact that evidence is presented, reviewed meticulously, and only then is a punishment decided.  It was the same with your case as well.

Nebih

Re: Suggestion
« Reply #8 on: 27 Jan 2013, 22:42:22 »
I actually surprised a few staff members didn't take this into offence.
The staff team tries their hardest to take care of the server, and you have no idea what it is like to be in their position. It is very rough. They do have proof of bans. If you say spammed an IP in chat, you are breaking 2 rules.. Spamming and Advertising. Somebody just has to screenshot it and send it to a moderator and it's enough proof for a ban. If you can't have faith in the server staff, then leave. The staff has probably banned you for a good enough reason. Even if you weren't X-raying. Your mines lead right to the ores. And as Duelcon said, it's up to the Admins on final decisions, setting the rules, etc. You read the rules. You had to know the rules to become a member. There is no reason anyone should end up getting banned because they all know the rules. That is all I want to say.