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SeaofRed79

X-Ray prevention consequences
« on: 15 Apr 2014, 03:48:38 »
So as some of us have seen and many of us have heard, there is a new line in the defense against x-rayers. Fore those who don't know any lag whatsoever will show the player all forms of ore until it loads back to show whats actually behind it (usually stone) this becomes more apparent with haste or efficiency perks on the tool or character. This small moment of confusion is not the most terrible in the world however when one uses their super breaker the game has changed. In a moment you may think your mining fdiamond because it will appear and the particles of blue will fall then the next you think you are breaking lapisuli then emerald then redstone then coal, as a person who uses silktouch for all ores other than iron and gold this causes quite a lot of stress as you are constantly attempting to decide whether to ignore pseudo ore or tell if its real and avert mining. I mine for money and is what I enjoy doing in minecraft as well, but now I doubt I will touch the skill. While I have enough resources from mining to sustain myself for a very long period I will now have to find another way to make money and find enjoyment. I would suggest, if possible setting the area in which the stone is turned to pseudo-stone about three or four spaces away from where the break occurred in order to not confuse a normal miner who doesn't X-ray, if not then you make see an increased value of ores and mined materials as it is an activity I imagine people will not partake as often and seek other means of money making.

Tidala

Re: X-Ray prevention consequences
« Reply #1 on: 15 Apr 2014, 07:32:59 »
I'm not sure what this has to do with x-ray prevention? Isn't that just a rumor or did a staff member confirm it? Also I have no idea why seeing a fake block for a fraction of a second inhibits your ability to mine. It's a minor inconvenience at best, I don't think it's enough for people to just stop mining altogether.

gamergirlxo

Re: X-Ray prevention consequences
« Reply #2 on: 15 Apr 2014, 07:39:27 »
I'm not sure what this has to do with x-ray prevention? Isn't that just a rumor or did a staff member confirm it? Also I have no idea why seeing a fake block for a fraction of a second inhibits your ability to mine. It's a minor inconvenience at best, I don't think it's enough for people to just stop mining altogether.

There have been several mods who have confirmed this but I haven't seen an admin confirm anything. I agree though. I don't see how it prevents someone from mining, sure it's a little frustrating and a bit annoying but you realize it's there and you continue with your day.

Chompertons

Re: X-Ray prevention consequences
« Reply #3 on: 15 Apr 2014, 07:58:18 »
Maybe it's because I use Sphax and optifine, but I haven't noticed this hardly at all.  I mine for like 8 hours a day and i think I've noticed it once for a millisecond.  I'm guessing this would be caused by Ore Obfuscator?  Not enough word from admins to know.  Not enough info!

DrewG2001

Re: X-Ray prevention consequences
« Reply #4 on: 15 Apr 2014, 13:30:58 »
Yes, i can confirm that they have upgraded to a new X-ray protection pluggin. After i saw tons of people arguing over it. I looked through my old files, found my X-ray mod, and checked. They have upgraded to the best protection for x-ray. I have been on other servers with this and they have the same complaints.

Hope this helps.
-Drew

Gigabyteme1

Re: X-Ray prevention consequences
« Reply #5 on: 15 Apr 2014, 15:33:42 »
i for one find it very annoying.  Every block I mine I end up seeing different blocks behind it for a second.

Personally I only use my F3 pick for diamonds and Emeralds otherwise I am using my normal pick.  Having to stop for nearly every blocked mined because it shows a diamond or emerald as the next block is frustrating.

guess its just something that I will have to adjust too, but still annoying.

SeaofRed79

Re: X-Ray prevention consequences
« Reply #6 on: 15 Apr 2014, 18:22:34 »
I'm doubting that this is something that occurs overly much with lag as I have well over 250 frames per second and am relatively close to the server and have minimal ping. Yes it appears to be orebuscator and makes me think behind every block, specifically in super breaker, is an ore in which I would not break with a u3e4 pick and causes me to avert only to realize its stone once it disappears. Perhaps this isn't as apparent on lower preforming internet/computers but to me it is annoying at best and frustrating usually.

EttaDreamfeather

Re: X-Ray prevention consequences
« Reply #7 on: 15 Apr 2014, 18:28:29 »
I've done super breaker with an f4 pick cutting through things like butter and have barely seen this issue, somI'm not sure what causes it.pSo for me it isn't an issue because I barely get it, but I can understamd how exasperating it can be for those who get it constantly.

Darkwings

Re: X-Ray prevention consequences
« Reply #8 on: 15 Apr 2014, 19:03:17 »
I get that almost constantly when mining stone in the town.
A place that can't have ores, so I don't even know why it's been implemented there.

I thought it was a result of the recent towny patch that somehow regenerated some chunks/blocks and, since there are no ores in towns, I also thought actual ores were being converted into stone as soon as they met with air blocks.

Now that I know how it actually works I think it's a terrible idea.
I can understand how mining people with F3 and ST picks are probably screaming at the screen.


Baskelbar

Re: X-Ray prevention consequences
« Reply #9 on: 15 Apr 2014, 19:35:48 »
The reason your even seeing these blocks is because of lag, It's not the server's fault, 99% of the time it will be client side lag

EttaDreamfeather

Re: X-Ray prevention consequences
« Reply #10 on: 15 Apr 2014, 20:03:28 »
I actually wanted to point out that towny world does have ores. It's simply Dracomere so far that I know of that doesn't because of how the World Edit was done there.

Darkwings

Re: X-Ray prevention consequences
« Reply #11 on: 15 Apr 2014, 21:10:42 »
The reason your even seeing these blocks is because of lag, It's not the server's fault, 99% of the time it will be client side lag

That's just wrong: the reason we see those blocks is because the server is putting them there for a short time, period.

If you couldn't see them in time to react, the whole thing would be useless, lag doesn't cause blocks to magically change into something else.

If the reason they appear is to trick X-ray users then it's obvious that their duration must be long enough for the trick to work. (It seems to happen only when uncovering smooth stone)

PS:
If other towns can have ores, now I also feel ripped off (and you should too, given the hours we spent literally carving chunks) >_>

Chompertons

Re: X-Ray prevention consequences
« Reply #12 on: 15 Apr 2014, 21:23:40 »
Maybe after like 5 minutes of not seeing ores on the plots you could have asked the mayor what was up, like I did, and not wasted huge amounts of time.

In regards to this ore thing, it seems an awful lot like everyone is affected by this differently.  I hardly see it at all while some people seem heavily affected by it.  This makes it seem like the difference is client based.  Either mods or video settings or lag is causing different people to see different levels of problem.  If it was all on the server everyone would be complaining of the same problem more consistently.