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Batuus

Re: Quick Update
« Reply #50 on: 4 Oct 2013, 16:32:14 »
What?  We start with 10000 times more land than you did in v5?  Where do you get that?  Wilderness land was free and there was no limit on how big you could build.

Stop talking down to me, I don't appreciate it one bit.  I have just as much right to express my opinion as anyone else.

Max

I am trying to be nice with you, but you are not letting me.
I rather quit this discussion before it gets out of hand and one of us might get a ban, so please be that mature as well.
« Last Edit: 4 Oct 2013, 19:26:20 by Batuus »

Darkwings

Re: Quick Update
« Reply #51 on: 4 Oct 2013, 16:32:51 »
Sorry, I was thinking in terms of a square with a side of that number of chunks and ended up squaring the size twice.

I probably need a coffee XD

I doubt anyone would need 400 (not squared) chunks anyway.
That would be already enough for a decent town.

Anyway, Baatus made a valid point:
256 _flat_ blocks (1 chunk) means you need a few stacks of materials.
A build isn't just a flat square, so you need more than that.

102400 blocks as a footprint means you need a LOT of materials to complete a build of that size.

So while my initial numbers were wrong you still need more blocks than that unless you're just building a mosaic, easily reaching the Million range >_>

To be honest 50 chunks is a medium sized complex.
It's not huge but the villa in those pictures could be built in something like 12, including water.

400 chunks is huge.

I wouldn't embark on such a project without having at least 75% of what I need beforehand. Just saying.

(edited for clarity)
« Last Edit: 4 Oct 2013, 16:44:19 by Darkwings »

86maxsmart

Re: Quick Update
« Reply #52 on: 4 Oct 2013, 16:44:59 »
Batuus,

I have a Bachelor of Science degree in Aerospace Engineering from San Diego State University.  I have worked at NASA for over 20 years.  Not saying I can't be wrong from time to time, but I do know math.  I was only referring to the horizontal footprint (or plan view, if I may) I need to build my house (with a small buffer) which is roughly 120 x 120 or approximately 50 chunks.  Although I have not seen much of the V6 spawn, I would imagine it is probably on the order of 1000 chunks (horizontal).

That's all I got to say about that, so I'll step off.

Thanks,

Max

Batuus

Re: Quick Update
« Reply #53 on: 4 Oct 2013, 16:48:10 »
Batuus,

I have a Bachelor of Science degree in Aerospace Engineering from San Diego State University.  I have worked at NASA for over 20 years.  Not saying I can't be wrong from time to time, but I do know math.  I was only referring to the horizontal footprint (or plan view, if I may) I need to build my house (with a small buffer) which is roughly 120 x 120 or approximately 50 chunks.  Although I have not seen much of the V6 spawn, I would imagine it is probably on the order of 1000 chunks (horizontal).

That's all I got to say about that, so I'll step off.

Thanks,

Max
Im talking about a square, the actual footprint, but anyways lets be nice and polite against eachother again?
It makes the world a better place really.
« Last Edit: 4 Oct 2013, 17:06:57 by Batuus »

Darkwings

Re: Quick Update
« Reply #54 on: 4 Oct 2013, 17:16:51 »
Im talking about a square, the actual footprint

The actual footprint of 50 chunks is 12800 blocks. (256*50)
You also can't make a square with 50 chunks, it was just an estimation of what he needed.

Okay so, a chunk is 16 by 16 blocks, you have 50 chunks and we are gonna make a nice square. So 25x25,
25 = 400 blocks long, so you get a square of 400 by 400 blocks
25x25 != 50.  50 isn't even a square number to begin with but the side would be ~7 chunks anyway.

I had huge numbers because I thought of a 50 by 50 chunks square (the word "plot" put me off).
Same goes for the 400 chunks, I thought of a 400x400 chunks square.

So... yeah. Multiplications.

86maxsmart

Re: Quick Update
« Reply #55 on: 4 Oct 2013, 17:22:27 »
Sorry, I was thinking in terms of a square with a side of that number of chunks and ended up squaring the size twice.

I probably need a coffee XD

I doubt anyone would need 400 (not squared) chunks anyway.
That would be already enough for a decent town.

Anyway, Baatus made a valid point:
256 _flat_ blocks (1 chunk) means you need a few stacks of materials.
A build isn't just a flat square, so you need more than that.

102400 blocks as a footprint means you need a LOT of materials to complete a build of that size.

So while my initial numbers were wrong you still need more blocks than that unless you're just building a mosaic, easily reaching the Million range >_>

To be honest 50 chunks is a medium sized complex.
It's not huge but the villa in those pictures could be built in something like 12, including water.

400 chunks is huge.

I wouldn't embark on such a project without having at least 75% of what I need beforehand. Just saying.

(edited for clarity)

Hey np :D  We all make mistakes and my numbers were approximate.  Magicman is the only one who did the math exactly correct.  He's one smart dude :)

This project took me a couple weekends to do in creative, but in doing so I have it completely all planned out.  It is going to take lots of resources as you say.  That's why I said the first thing I would be doing is going straight through the mining world portal.  My only real concern is how much land will cost and how you get it.  The answer to that will determine if i proceed with my project or not.

As Jesus said (Luke 14:28) “28 “Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it? 29 For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, 30 saying, ‘This person began to build and wasn’t able to finish.’"

Max
« Last Edit: 4 Oct 2013, 17:25:56 by 86MaxSmart »

Batuus

Re: Quick Update
« Reply #56 on: 4 Oct 2013, 17:23:43 »
Im talking about a square, the actual footprint

The actual footprint of 50 chunks is 12800 blocks. (256*50)
You also can't make a square with 50 chunks, it was just an estimation of what he needed.

Okay so, a chunk is 16 by 16 blocks, you have 50 chunks and we are gonna make a nice square. So 25x25,
25 = 400 blocks long, so you get a square of 400 by 400 blocks
25x25 != 50.  50 isn't even a square number to begin with but the side would be ~7 chunks anyway.

I had huge numbers because I thought of a 50 by 50 chunks square (the word "plot" put me off).
Same goes for the 400 chunks, I thought of a 400x400 chunks square.

So... yeah. Multiplications.
I am confused now, how many chunks does he need... Forget my first math piece. But if he nees 50 chunks that is 12800 yea... This is all confusing the hell out of me.

EDIT: I need SP world edit badly NOW xD, makes live alot easier.

86maxsmart

Re: Quick Update
« Reply #57 on: 4 Oct 2013, 17:37:48 »
Although I said approximately (120 by 120), let's do this with exact math.  Each chunk is 16 width by 16 length (a square).  Let say I need 112 blocks in width and 112 blocks in length (again a square) to complete my project.  16 times 7 = 112 blocks in both length and width.  Therefore, I would need a 7 chunk width and a 7 chunk length plot of land.  7 times 7 is 49.  I would need 49 chunks to be exact.

Max

Darkwings

Re: Quick Update
« Reply #58 on: 4 Oct 2013, 17:41:54 »
I'd still like to know what Citebafla wants to build in 400 chunks anyway :P

Miner_man123456

Re: Quick Update
« Reply #59 on: 4 Oct 2013, 18:31:44 »
Max, 1 Chunk is 16x16 or 16 by 16 blocks in Minecraft, please explain to me how you have managed to get the  house under to be 50 Chunks... cause I am just as confused as Batuus, that house is maybe +/- 4 Chunks...

HarryX11

Re: Quick Update
« Reply #60 on: 4 Oct 2013, 19:15:03 »
This was meant to be an update on how V6 was going, NOT an argumentative thread on how many blocks are in 400 chunks and how many chunks you will need in V6. If you want to argue about this, please take it to private messaging, or make another threshold in other for you to argue on.

~HarryX11

Also, if you guys are doing the math on what 400 chunks of surface area is, you can find it like this:
16×16=256
256×400=102400
(256×4=1024, so just add two zeroes to that and you get your answer)

I hope this resolves any issues you guys are having :)
« Last Edit: 4 Oct 2013, 19:23:42 by HarryX11 »

Batuus

Re: Quick Update
« Reply #61 on: 4 Oct 2013, 19:27:39 »
This was meant to be an update on how V6 was going, NOT an argumentative thread on how many blocks are in 400 chunks and how many chunks you will need in V6. If you want to argue about this, please take it to private messaging, or make another threshold in other for you to argue on.

~HarryX11

Also, if you guys are doing the math on what 400 chunks of surface area is, you can find it like this:
16×16=256
256×400=102400
(256×4=1024, so just add two zeroes to that and you get your answer)

I hope this resolves any issues you guys are having :)
You are kinda late with that, since we pretty much figured that out already, the argument is basicly just about what he would need so many chunks for really.

Darkwings

Re: Quick Update
« Reply #62 on: 4 Oct 2013, 20:02:33 »
that house is maybe +/- 4 Chunks...

I think, and this bring it back in-topic again, that he just needs the surrounding chunks to be empty to make some sort of scenario and avoid other people building too close.

That's kinda the reason why I've said that the wilderness could become a dump for giant statues.
(a stretch of imagination, but still possible)

Building in the towns world requires permissions. Building in wilderness does not.

The wilderness could become way less wild than the towns world and the unlucky guy that get there later could have to travel hours to reach a free spot only to find out it's too small and surrounded by giant builds.

Nothing remotely similar ever happened before with towns, right? :-|L Mmm, oh wait...  :P

HarryX11

Re: Quick Update
« Reply #63 on: 4 Oct 2013, 20:14:33 »
The wilderness could become way less wild than the towns world and the unlucky guy that get there later could have to travel hours to reach a free spot only to find out it's too small and surrounded by giant builds.

Nothing remotely similar ever happened before with towns, right? :-|L Mmm, oh wait...  :P

Yeah that happened with me I bought a town in V5 called Coldstone (you most likely knew it as Snakevenom) and then realized it was not expandable, so I had to buy an outpost, reset the HomeBlock, and then expand from there. It wasn't fun and took a floris more work than it needed to.