Unexpected Sad News! (Read 26998 times)

86maxsmart · « **Reply #75 on:** 25 Oct 2013, 20:30:12 »

Quote from: Reigando on 25 Oct 2013, 19:51:58

It's not that hard to duplicate a server and then work on that to test your new potentially world-breaking coding. So yes, you can work on a server and run it at the same time.

Agreed.

Although I'm probably the least anxious out of everyone, bottom line is that there will always be bugs to work on and new updates to deal with. I'm not downplaying the size of 1.7, so don't flame me.

I think why people get stirred up a bit is because it's been a long time since v6 was announced (roughly 7 months), they were told it would be released in the summer (it's now well into fall), the downtime from v5 to v6 was to be one week (it's approaching 7 weeks now), and then when a date was finally set it was delayed. I understand things happen that were not planned, just saying I understand why people might be upset. Lack of devotion to the server has nothing to do with it.

If we are waiting for everything to be perfect, good luck on that one. My feeling is there is more going on here than just 1.7 (actually 1.7.2 now from what I'm seeing on mojang), but I could be wrong.

Max

Darkwings · « **Reply #76 on:** 25 Oct 2013, 20:46:10 »

Quote from: Reigando on 25 Oct 2013, 19:51:58

It's not that hard to duplicate a server and then work on that to test your new potentially world-breaking coding. So yes, you can work on a server and run it at the same time.

Of course data can be duplicated but you need someone to work on it after that >_>

The admins can't do both things at the same time.
If it was that simple they wouldn't even need to take down V5 to begin with.

Dopehead_NL · « **Reply #77 on:** 25 Oct 2013, 22:05:56 »

Quote from: Darkwings on 25 Oct 2013, 20:46:10

Of course data can be duplicated but you need someone to work on it after that >_>
The admins can't do both things at the same time.
If it was that simple they wouldn't even need to take down V5 to begin with.

They decided to physically move the server to the US, and re-use it there for V6, thats why it had to go down.

They could have opted to go about differently, say, order a new server in the US, install the software, start building and testing, whilst the community plays on the V5 server in the UK.
Once satisfied with the new V6 server they would only have to announce the new IP and do a DNS change.
The pro's are clear, the cons to :
Running dual servers cost dual money en needs dual time manage all that.
So your right, but not exactly for the right reasons, I think.

UnlikelyPirate · « **Reply #78 on:** 25 Oct 2013, 22:30:37 »

Ok, so, according to the Minecraft Forge page:

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As it sits however, 1.7 will be a rather large update for quite a lot of mods. As I said before, Minecraft has changed a lot. Which means Mods themselves will take a while to update. We are trying to get Forge out as soon as we can for mods to start, but don't expect any major mods to be updated until possibly December.

What this means to me is that if we wait for V6 to be released soon with 1.7 compatibility, many of us will likely be waiting a while. Server mods are going to take a while to recode just like the client mods. It might even be time for 1.8 when they are updated because Mojang appears to be moving toward a faster update cycle. I interpret 1.7 as a launch for Mojang that is meant to allow rapid content updates. As they said:

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It feels like we’ve been working on this for a year now, with more than half a million lines of code changed over 1,104 commits we’ve been working extremely hard on this update. We’re calling this one “The update that changed the world”, because it really has in two different ways; there’s over twice the amount of ingame biomes, and we’ve overhauled lots of the code preparing for the plugin API.

That plugin API is going to mean Minecraft code that will not need to be overwritten to create plugins, and Mojang doesn't have to worry about breaking mods for weeks or more with every content release.

Obviously, if V6 is launched under 1.6, we won't get the new official biomes, the new woods, and a few other fun things that came out with 1.7 built into the launch world. However, seemings how I can conclude that the V6 world has already been built, waiting on 1.7 compatibility doesn't make sense for this reason. If V6 was ready and had launched a week ago, would it be taken offline right away with 1.7 until the V6 1.7 production server was ready? Why not require that everyone play on 1.6 with the server launch, since the new Minecraft launcher supports easy version switching?

Still, its not my server, and it is privately owned. It is your decision. You've all put a lot of work into this release. I just hope to not see you perpetually trying to release V6 in frustration like this, with a very devoted community shedding tears every day that goes by that V6 might have been released.

bukknuttie · « **Reply #79 on:** 26 Oct 2013, 00:43:47 »

Quote from: MagicMan27 on 25 Oct 2013, 14:24:17

Just thought I'd mention this, on teamspeak Lawrence stated that the worlds were generated in the snapshots so they already had the new biomes in them.

I was wandering about this. mabe someone can clear this up? I mean if its working from a snapshot shouldn't it work period. I meen if its already got the new bio's don't it already got everything else? ive been out of the minecraft sceen for a min, excuse me if im way off......cause im not sure if you could take everything they built and transfer it to a newly generated world 1.6 to 1.7 can they...?

Olah0001 · « **Reply #80 on:** 26 Oct 2013, 03:05:59 »

well 1.7 came out today so we get to explore all the new features in single player ^.^ no more boredomness !

Darkwings · « **Reply #81 on:** 26 Oct 2013, 03:40:22 »

Quote from: UnlikelyPirate on 25 Oct 2013, 22:30:37

Why not require that everyone play on 1.6 with the server launch, since the new Minecraft launcher supports easy version switching?

Because of the same reasons already posted (and not just by me) ?

I mean, if a major mod team is saying it could take 2 months, why do you assume that Foob&Co are going to be as fast as that (or faster) while also having to handle a running server?

The API is also another good reason to invest time beforehand and be up to date instead of developing already obsolete stuff, imo. (assuming the API works and isn't garbage)

Psychovisual · « **Reply #82 on:** 26 Oct 2013, 13:27:43 »

why not just release noobstown on 1.6 as expected and wait for the bukkit plugins and custom plugins to be updated for 1.7 then switch over in a month or so. Because this means at least another 2 week delay until v6 is released, kinda sad for the whole community.

Miner_man123456 · « **Reply #83 on:** 26 Oct 2013, 13:41:06 »

Are the fighting still going on...? -.-

Xavier1964 · « **Reply #84 on:** 26 Oct 2013, 15:39:50 »

Quote from: Miner_man123456 on 26 Oct 2013, 13:41:06

Are the fighting still going on...?

lol apparently. but everyone stop raging about this delay. its here. its happened. just stop fighting and raging, be quiet and get on with your lives. sorry if i sound mean and/or trollish. but seriously people. come on...COME ON! this is out of control!

daniel_blackwood · « **Reply #85 on:** 26 Oct 2013, 17:26:17 »

Okay, here's my take on all this.

Some people: Work on 1.7 WHILE running a 1.6.2 server for us!

Other people: Work on 1.7 alone!

Other people are right because if they did both then 1.7 would take even LONGER and the current V6 would be getting little, if any attention. I.e. things would break and griefers would grief and spammers would spam with nobody with any real power here to do stuff about it or fix bugs.

They can either split their attention AND pay for two servers or they can pay for one server and put all their attention into V6-1.7.

That's the simplified version.

So quit yer whining pl0x.

bukknuttie · « **Reply #86 on:** 26 Oct 2013, 20:45:37 »

id still like someone in the know to explain how they can generate a world from a snapshot and have all the mods working and ready to go?

my prediction is that they will throw up v6 and announce that there building a new world for 1.72 and we will get that in a few months after dangling the carrot.....

I appreciate all the hard work from fat noob and his help and really enjoy the server but it feels moor like we get hand me down worlds....after they built what they wanted....

there is a great community here of minecrafters ,whom I believe would be more than happy to to play on a server that didn't have a luxurious starting town/spawn.. its not how pretty your world is its the players that play on the server that make it great.

UnlikelyPirate · « **Reply #87 on:** 26 Oct 2013, 23:48:22 »

Quote from: Darkwings on 26 Oct 2013, 03:40:22

Quote from: UnlikelyPirate on 25 Oct 2013, 22:30:37
Why not require that everyone play on 1.6 with the server launch, since the new Minecraft launcher supports easy version switching?

Because of the same reasons already posted (and not just by me) ?

I mean, if a major mod team is saying it could take 2 months, why do you assume that Foob&Co are going to be as fast as that (or faster) while also having to handle a running server?

The API is also another good reason to invest time beforehand and be up to date instead of developing already obsolete stuff, imo. (assuming the API works and isn't garbage)

I am saying the opposite. If a major mod team could take 2 months, I think it only makes sense for Foob&Co to have delays lasting longer if waiting for 1.7 compatibility with everything. The API has nothing to do with the server, either. I was just pointing out that the API means for mods to work with 1.7 that they have to be recoded for scratch. Some of the bigger mods might have a head start, but so many things are not going to work for a while. The admins already have experience upgrading a server when a new version of Minecraft comes out. I mean, obviously they do, as they are on V6 of their server. If they had it working under 1.6, then launching under 1.6 sounds so much easier for everyone, not just the players.

Quote from: bukknuttie on 26 Oct 2013, 20:45:37

id still like someone in the know to explain how they can generate a world from a snapshot and have all the mods working and ready to go?

my prediction is that they will throw up v6 and announce that there building a new world for 1.72 and we will get that in a few months after dangling the carrot.....

I appreciate all the hard work from fat noob and his help and really enjoy the server but it feels moor like we get hand me down worlds....after they built what they wanted....

there is a great community here of minecrafters ,whom I believe would be more than happy to to play on a server that didn't have a luxurious starting town/spawn.. its not how pretty your world is its the players that play on the server that make it great.

Um. They spent months and months building V6. They are not going to wipe that clean and say "Hey, uhhh, here, empty server, make it pretty." to all the members. As for building a map off the snapshot of 1.7, um, where did you read that? Like said before, this V6 server has been under construction for months and months and months. Map and all. The 1.7 snapshots were not public until after 1.6 was released, unless you have deep connections and lots of trust from Mojang. Still, I don't think the Noobscraft admins have the time it would take to run everything they have and also hardcore recode all the mods for the compatibility issues they would have with that.

I may not be an admin for Noobscraft, but I have a deep-seeded understanding of all these things to do with the snapshots, Minecraft, all the prior updates, 1.6/1.7 and so on.

Quote from: Xavier1964 on 26 Oct 2013, 15:39:50

Quote from: Miner_man123456 on 26 Oct 2013, 13:41:06
Are the fighting still going on...?

lol apparently. but everyone stop raging about this delay. its here. its happened. just stop fighting and raging, be quiet and get on with your lives. sorry if i sound mean and/or trollish. but seriously people. come on...COME ON! this is out of control!

I am merely being constructive in this conversation. These statements are a pure example of how to NOT be constructive. Having a constructive conversation (in this circumstance) is about discussing things that could be of value to the Admins. A non-constructive conversation is unproductive, can be hurtful, and is uncalled for. I take offense to this, even if you were not talking about me.

bukknuttie · « **Reply #88 on:** 27 Oct 2013, 00:04:28 »

Quote from: MagicMan27 on 25 Oct 2013, 14:24:17

Just thought I'd mention this, on teamspeak Lawrence stated that the worlds were generated in the snapshots so they already had the new biomes in them.

this is where I seen that it was from a snapshot I musta been confused

86maxsmart · « **Reply #89 on:** 27 Oct 2013, 00:07:41 »

Quote from: UnlikelyPirate on 26 Oct 2013, 23:48:22

Having a constructive conversation (in this circumstance) is about discussing things that could be of value to the Admins. A non-constructive conversation is unproductive, can be hurtful, and is uncalled for.

Constructive conversations include those that may be unpopular. Where I work, I want these type of frank, honest, and to the point discussions, especially if they point out things my team may be doing wrong or if we are missing something critically important. Last thing I want is some yes man (or woman) always telling me how good we're doing and patting me on the back.

"Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed." - Proverbs 15:22

"Those who flatter their neighbors are spreading nets for their feet." - Proverbs 29:5

Max

Darkwings · « **Reply #90 on:** 27 Oct 2013, 00:17:51 »

Quote from: UnlikelyPirate on 26 Oct 2013, 23:48:22

If they had it working under 1.6, then launching under 1.6 sounds so much easier for everyone, not just the players.

That would make sense if they wanted to release as fast as possible in 1.6.4, but I think it's pretty clear that Foob&team prefer to release in 1.7.

Most people here seems to prefer a faster release with an old version, but I was trying to convey that such a choice could delay 1.7 for an even longer time for the same reasons stated previously and would also mean no room for improvement.

bukknuttie · « **Reply #91 on:** 27 Oct 2013, 00:29:33 »

the fastest way would be release 1.72 vanilla and ad the mods as there available ,so basically were waiting on them to save their work and stuff they built by waiting for them to update the mods....

UnlikelyPirate · « **Reply #92 on:** 28 Oct 2013, 00:59:37 »

Quote from: bukknuttie on 27 Oct 2013, 00:29:33

the fastest way would be release 1.72 vanilla and ad the mods as there available ,so basically were waiting on them to save their work and stuff they built by waiting for them to update the mods....

I am quite fond of the professionalism this server runs by. Your suggestion doesn't seem anything near the style that this admin crew runs by. They change things as they see fit and when needed only, and they release a server that is ready to go. While it sounds like a good idea, the members of this server can find that haphazard way of running a server anywhere else. This server is downright the best there is, and I only fear people will lose interest if they wait more than a month or two of downtime before they can play on it again.

I will be loyal. This is the first Minecraft server I ever played on. This will be the last. My wife already finds my obsession with this wonderful game to be silly, but we allow each other our free time. I just hope I don't continue to waste my free time elsewhere, waiting months and months for my favorite server to my favorite game to come back online.

fish_james · « **Reply #93 on:** 28 Oct 2013, 05:04:34 »

Noobscraft is great and patience is a virtue. That is all

Love you guys, see everyone soon in V6.

-Fish_James

bukknuttie · « **Reply #94 on:** 28 Oct 2013, 23:49:40 »

Quote from: UnlikelyPirate on 28 Oct 2013, 00:59:37

Quote from: bukknuttie on 27 Oct 2013, 00:29:33
the fastest way would be release 1.72 vanilla and ad the mods as there available ,so basically were waiting on them to save their work and stuff they built by waiting for them to update the mods....

I am quite fond of the professionalism this server runs by. Your suggestion doesn't seem anything near the style that this admin crew runs by. They change things as they see fit and when needed only, and they release a server that is ready to go. While it sounds like a good idea, the members of this server can find that haphazard way of running a server anywhere else. This server is downright the best there is, and I only fear people will lose interest if they wait more than a month or two of downtime before they can play on it again.

I will be loyal. This is the first Minecraft server I ever played on. This will be the last. My wife already finds my obsession with this wonderful game to be silly, but we allow each other our free time. I just hope I don't continue to waste my free time elsewhere, waiting months and months for my favorite server to my favorite game to come back online.

I would totally agree...I wasn't around for version 5 I came in at the very tail end of version 1 or 2 cause if I remember right the first world didn't realy have a version...I could be wrong its been an awaful long time.....and from what I remember every time we went to a new version it was plugin hell...

one time the world file was destroyed completely like v2 or 3 I cant remember...but they got stuff going pretty quick. I still check these forums every day to see if we get an update on some if any progress I cant wait such a good server I love it.

Jackmwoodall14 · « **Reply #95 on:** 30 Oct 2013, 13:57:04 »

Fatnoob said on Mineapoc that hes just waiting for bukkit 1.7 to come out :B

gamergirlxo · « **Reply #96 on:** 30 Oct 2013, 20:01:13 »

Quote from: Jackmwoodall14 on 30 Oct 2013, 13:57:04

Fatnoob said on Mineapoc that hes just waiting for bukkit 1.7 to come out :B

he's said that on the forums as well. As Fish_James said patience is a virtue.

Foob · « **Reply #97 on:** 30 Oct 2013, 21:04:09 »

100th comment.

Nebih · « **Reply #98 on:** 30 Oct 2013, 21:08:41 »

Quote from: Fatnoob on 30 Oct 2013, 21:04:09

100th comment.

lol everyone is talking about the topic then the OP/admin posts the 100th comment noob comment.

Xavier1964 · « **Reply #99 on:** 30 Oct 2013, 22:29:14 »

Quote from: Fatnoob on 30 Oct 2013, 21:04:09

100th comment.

LOL. hilarious. 100th comment...102nd comment! lolz xD

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