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ItsLawrence

Re: minecraft.net is down
« Reply #25 on: 15 Jun 2011, 18:51:27 »
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Hacking =/= DDos'ing...

No offense, but even a ****** could DDos
I would like to disagree with you, a DDoS is a distributed denial of service attack, meaning it is spread over many machines, normally by a botnet or something. If a ****** could run a botnet the world is screwed.

You can however easily do a DoS attack.

Nerzhal

Re: minecraft.net is down
« Reply #26 on: 15 Jun 2011, 19:50:22 »
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Hacking =/= DDos'ing...

No offense, but even a ****** could DDos
I would like to disagree with you, a DDoS is a distributed denial of service attack, meaning it is spread over many machines, normally by a botnet or something. If a ****** could run a botnet the world is screwed.

You can however easily do a DoS attack.

Google LOIC, every ****** can do it... I could take down the forum, if I wanted to... Though... I need more people (or a server farm / botnet w/e) for a login server.

And simple mass pinging an IP address ain't "hacking"...
« Last Edit: 15 Jun 2011, 19:59:44 by Nerzhal »

ItsLawrence

Re: minecraft.net is down
« Reply #27 on: 15 Jun 2011, 20:04:35 »
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Google LOIC, every ****** can do it... I could take down the forum, if I wanted to... Though... I need more people (or a server farm / botnet w/e) for a login server.
That backfired for you slightly :P, read wikipedia about LOIC...
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LOIC is an open source network attack application, written in C#. A JavaScript version has also been created enabling a DoS from a web browser.
A DoS, not a distributed DoS (DDoS). I agree anyone can DoS, but DDoSing is a lot harder.

And on another note, (although I don't want you to try :P) I don't know that you would be able to take this forum down on your own, it is on a HUGE server with DDos protection. But as I said please don't try incase you can :P.

Nerzhal

Re: minecraft.net is down
« Reply #28 on: 15 Jun 2011, 20:48:56 »

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Google LOIC, every ****** can do it... I could take down the forum, if I wanted to... Though... I need more people (or a server farm / botnet w/e) for a login server.
LOIC performs a denial-of-service (DoS) attack (or when used by multiple individuals, a DDoS attack)

As you can see... It ain't that hard; 5-10 people or external connections are usually enough for a forum.

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And on another note, (although I don't want you to try :P) I don't know that you would be able to take this forum down on your own, it is on a HUGE server with DDos protection. But as I said please don't try incase you can :P.

I don't know if you "own" this forum, but this might have consequences for me, even if you say you would not "engage".

ItsLawrence

Re: minecraft.net is down
« Reply #29 on: 15 Jun 2011, 21:06:37 »
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LOIC performs a denial-of-service (DoS) attack (or when used by multiple individuals, a DDoS attack)

I don't want to ruin the theme of the topic, but your quote exactly emphasised my point, there is a difference between a DoS (which you or I could easily do) and a DDoS which is a lot harder. (Due to organisation and often other software to get other 'DoSers' on board).
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As you can see... It ain't that hard; 5-10 people or external connections are usually enough for a forum.
I don't know if you "own" this forum, but this might have consequences for me, even if you say you would not "engage".
I don't "own" this forum, and I never said I did, Foob 'owns' it (as much as anyone 'owns' it); I just own the hosting.
But still... I would suggestion not even attempting it, the server which this forum is hosted on has stupidly strict access protection meaning it blocks users automatically which it thinks are DoSing it, don't moan if you get auto-blocked for doing anything (which I would not advise doing anyway).

tyja

Re: minecraft.net is down
« Reply #30 on: 15 Jun 2011, 21:07:42 »
AND THE WINNER IS ITSLAWRENCE!! <3 :D Why would u argue with the webmaster. You just lost the game

Nerzhal

Re: minecraft.net is down
« Reply #31 on: 15 Jun 2011, 21:13:41 »
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I don't want to ruin the theme of the topic, but your quote exactly emphasised my point, there is a difference between a DoS (which you or I could easily do) and a DDoS which is a lot harder. (Due to organisation and often other software to get other 'DoSers' on board).

... I could rent 150 bots for 7$ and everyone else being able to google is capable of doing so as well. (which afterall means no organisation, one person, one software)
I could take down the forum and the server ... for 7$ ... what I am trying to say is still the same:

It's not hard, everyone can do it, even someone untrained.

€: I WOULD NEVER DO THAT
« Last Edit: 15 Jun 2011, 21:46:49 by Nerzhal »

ItsLawrence

Re: minecraft.net is down
« Reply #32 on: 15 Jun 2011, 21:49:13 »
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It's not hard, everyone can do it, even someone untrained.
If you have to purchase bots to do a DDoS (Not a DoS a DDoS) you need to be slightly trained in their use and in reply to your original comment (what the whole of my arguement is based on) that:
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even a ****** could DDos
I disagree that a '******' could find bots to do it, then purchase them and then use them to do whatever you want them to do.

They could have (maybe) do a DoS. But as I posted earlier a distributed attack is harder than you think.