This goes against Noobscraft wanting a stable economy.  If we plan to keep a flowing economy with player to player transactions, we should remove the possibility of donating for Nbz at once. Or possibly add a limit to how much Nbz you can buy per some period of time. Although I do understand that in many cases this will help the server grow. But we shouldn't have to pay for it by sacrificing part of the economy. There are many other suitable ways to increase donation flow.

/endrant

I agree; being able to buy nbz will really hurt the player to player economy.  If it is really necessary to implement this then it should be more expensive or have some sort of limit, and there should be more items added to /shop so other players can keep up with people buying nbz

I can see there is some serious debate and concerns here.  Let me try and explain this the way I see it.

The biggest concern everyone seems to express is that this will hurt the player to player economy.  I'm not sure how you see this as a threat, seeing that noobz can only be spent in three major ways.  Purchasing towny plots, towns, nations.  purchasing wild chunks (note we have a donation option for this already). And buying items from players, as there is no in game server shop to purchase items.

Where do you think the currency that is purchased will go?  They are unable to purchase items that would cause serious advantages over other players, the only thing it eliminates is a few hours of server time on their part of grind and farming.  If a person chooses to earn noobs this way, and in the process, keep the server running by donations, is that really such a bad thing?  Keep in mind, those noobs that are purchased will either leave the economy all together through towny / chunky, or will be cycled in to other players selling items, thereby increasing the amount of player to player transactions.

I encourage everyone to express their opinions and suggestions on this, but please be sure to keep it respectful and offer as much evidence and fact you can to support your opinion.

how about you explain HOW this will ruin the economy?  Provide evidence and facts, not just groundless statements please.

yeah buying noobs with money, defeats the purpose of pretty much everything in the game right there. for one people can get 850k in less than a few minutes, which will basically raise the amount of towns by a lot. which i think(not entirely, do not quote me or take to seriously) the purpose of the 850k price is to keep people from founding towns on every available plot of land in the town world. not to mention there will probably be someone ,who got all their noobs from buying with real money, who will go to auction and just generally buy out expensive auctions (diamond stacks or enchanted diamond picks) they dont really need and then will (probably) sell the pick to someone else for an even higher price or just keep double chests of them just because. therefore keeping items from people who really need said items from them. this is really apparent with enchanted diamond picks as they are really expensive. short version. someone will get greedy and take anything and everything worth anything on the auction and sell them for ripoff prices to other players.

also there will be those few people who will buy noobz JUST to be in the top 10 for most money and there will be at least one who will relentlessly bring up the fact that they have the most money and are better than everyone else. i may seem like im being negative. but those are my predictions and i know for sure some of these may occur.

I don't know about the economy but noobz are the main element in this game which can buy just about everything so I think this is going to create the environment that most online games have which is f2p but tons of micro transactions. So this will create what they call "Coiners" which are the players who if they choose to use their own money to get ahead in the game and can become more powerful using that method. I believe  that any items that you use to spend real money to get should only be cosmetic items, like nameplates and other visual features, not things like armor and other things to help give you a strong arm over the game.

Hey guys,

In version 5 the donation shop offered both the opportunity to buy NBz and items, in this version we decided that rather than adding items to the shop we will only add money. The reason for this is that items have to be sold in order for players to make money, adding items to the shop and players donating for them could potentially decrease the value of that item if sold in bulk. This is why we disagree with selling of items. Remember, without players that donate, there would be no Noobstown, we wouldn't be celebrating our 3rd birthday and I wouldn't be writing this message right now. Players who choose to purchase money in order to enhance their gameplay is completely fine, remember money has to be spent and the fact you cannot buy rare items from server shops means that cash will be pumped straight back into the player economy. Towns now require applications and you have to be accepted, if players purchase NBz to buy a town they are not guaranteed to be accepted, if anything we look for dedicated players who put a lot of time into the server and understand how to finainially run their town through in-game earning.

Thanks,

170USD for 1 Million Noobz? Really? I thought you had to work for your Noobz, but I guess not... I really dislike this feature, people should have to work for their Noobz, not just drop a bunch of money and get it given to them, do you know how easily this can ruin the economy? for some 170USD is a lot, for others it's literally nothing.

Because you don't have to work hard for  170 dollars obviously... In my opinion the amount of Noobz you get from buying it in donation is a bit low. But I guess it is an option if you're really that desperate to spend so much money on so little Noobz.

Because you don't have to work hard for  170 dollars obviously... In my opinion the amount of Noobz you get from buying it in donation is a bit low. But I guess it is an option if you're really that desperate to spend so much money on so little Noobz.

It's people that don't even have to work for that amount of money, they can just ask their parents and get it given to them like it's nothing, that is my problem, how the people with a lot of money can easily use this feature to get millions if they wish.

Quote from: Citebafla on  8 Mar 2014, 16:10:36

Because you don't have to work hard for  170 dollars obviously... In my opinion the amount of Noobz you get from buying it in donation is a bit low. But I guess it is an option if you're really that desperate to spend so much money on so little Noobz.

It's people that don't even have to work for that amount of money, they can just ask their parents and get it given to them like it's nothing, that is my problem, how the people with a lot of money can easily use this feature to get millions if they wish.

So what you are saying is that you do not want people to get noobs for money so they can buy your stuff?

I have merged the two topics together.  Let's keep this discussion on one page.

...The biggest concern everyone seems to express is that this will hurt the player to player economy.  I'm not sure how you see this as a threat, ...

I guess that's part where the problem perhaps lies then ..

We can do 'this', but we can't have /top?

Exactly, which is why i'm encouraging discussion on the topic instead of just stating, "It's going to ruin the economy"  If you feel that way, tell us WHY.  Give us reasons why this will ruin the economy.

As for the /top.  This is not a discussion on the addition, removal, or right to have VIP perks.  Keep on topic please.

Hey guys,

In version 5 the donation shop offered both the opportunity to buy NBz and items, in this version we decided that rather than adding items to the shop we will only add money. The reason for this is that items have to be sold in order for players to make money, adding items to the shop and players donating for them could potentially decrease the value of that item if sold in bulk. This is why we disagree with selling of items. Remember, without players that donate, there would be no Noobstown, we wouldn't be celebrating our 3rd birthday and I wouldn't be writing this message right now. Players who choose to purchase money in order to enhance their gameplay is completely fine, remember money has to be spent and the fact you cannot buy rare items from server shops means that cash will be pumped straight back into the player economy. Towns now require applications and you have to be accepted, if players purchase NBz to buy a town they are not guaranteed to be accepted, if anything we look for dedicated players who put a lot of time into the server and understand how to finainially run their town through in-game earning.

Thanks,
Fatnoob

-reposting Fatnoob's reply to the previously merged topic