I guess I will start with the V6 questions.  Will normal vanilla villager trading be allowed since it would be nice to get some emeralds easy since they are only decoration and will sponges still have there modified water clearing use as in V5?  Now for my public opinion question many of you already have a sweet noobween skin and as I am already a technical "monster" what should I change into?  I would love ideas and obviously I won't choose them all but still.  Thanks!

I guess I will start with the V6 questions.  Will normal vanilla villager trading be allowed since it would be nice to get some emeralds easy since they are only decoration and will sponges still have there modified water clearing use as in V5?  Now for my public opinion question many of you already have a sweet noobween skin and as I am already a technical "monster" what should I change into?  I would love ideas and obviously I won't choose them all but still.  Thanks!

I highly doubt they will be bringing back the vanilla villager trading, due to they don't want the economy wrecked. Due to mob removal is now gone, and players could keep a villager hostage and become rich and rich and that's how sometimes the economy gets wrecked with random prices and that. They may bring them out again,but disable the tradings. Sponges will most likely be able to mop up the water, unsure on that though. You should change your skin so that you have herobrine's eyes. then I won't be the only person with them;)

Quote from: tiberius1999 on 10 Oct 2013, 01:06:38

I guess I will start with the V6 questions.  Will normal vanilla villager trading be allowed since it would be nice to get some emeralds easy since they are only decoration and will sponges still have there modified water clearing use as in V5?  Now for my public opinion question many of you already have a sweet noobween skin and as I am already a technical "monster" what should I change into?  I would love ideas and obviously I won't choose them all but still.  Thanks!

I highly doubt they will be bringing back the vanilla villager trading, due to they don't want the economy wrecked. Due to mob removal is now gone, and players could keep a villager hostage and become rich and rich and that's how sometimes the economy gets wrecked with random prices and that. They may bring them out again,but disable the tradings. Sponges will most likely be able to mop up the water, unsure on that though. You should change your skin so that you have herobrine's eyes. then I won't be the only person with them;)

lol too bad villager trading will be gone. never really got to see its purpose. how can holding a villager hostage be possible? there is like no way for them to be trapped in an easily accessible holding cell near there houses, seeing as fishing rods and leads fail miserably when used on villagers, they both break after a certain distance and villagers dont really move in any set direction.

Quote from: Jackmwoodall14 on 10 Oct 2013, 01:30:20

You should change your skin so that you have herobrine's eyes. then I won't be the only person with them;)

Great idea! thanks Jack! :D

lol drew with herobrine eyes? *runs away screaming at the thought of it* LOL

not if i enchant my diamond armor with anti soul eating enchantments *enchants armor at enchantment table*. lol its fire protection V, *sevens hours of xp farming and enchanting later* FINALLY anti soul eating VII! wait...only my diamond helmet is enchanted? *rage* LOL

lol ill just rip it off....

lol im going to go do that now

NOO! *gets anti soul eating VII enchant diamond chestplate and hides in an obsidian bunker surrounded by bedrock* LOLOL

Honestly I think vanilla trading should be fine, since it requires alot of trading to get decent items and even to get all trades unlocked you have to trade extreme amounts of emeralds, so yea I see no harm in it and about emeralds, they have no real use except decoration so the price of emeralds shouldnt really matter.

Sadly vanilla trading were never meant to be stable. It would trash any sort of economy.

There is literally no limit to the number of trades you could do and you could just trade paper/wheat/chicken to get emeralds to begin with.

At that point, once you find a decent amount of villagers (let's say 6-10) you are in a loop that generates infinite items from nothing.
Even if you kept findin horrible trades (say, 4 emerald for 1 shear) you could just breed villagers to improve the chances :|

Regardless of what you allow or don't (have auctions, eliminate /shop, ban this or that) the most active (longest playing) and hardest working players will eventually be able to dictate the prices of everything.  Basically, they rule.  There is no getting around it and basic economics has proven that price fixing doesn't work irl or in game.  That's the bottom line.

Max

Quote from: Batuus on 10 Oct 2013, 13:33:50

you are still limitted to the demand of the items which then again balances it out right...?

Nope, because with unlimited trades you could have an infinite supply of iron/diamond tools and armor that you can get by just farming sugarcane.

Since everyone will need tools you could easily sell everything and basically inflate the economy in no time.

Admins already stated that the auctions prices and amounts of resources will be kept in check.
Fatnoob could just inject small amounts of resources via auctions as well, just to keep it balanced, or set min and max prices for auctions.

I dont think you understand what I meant, even if the auction will be injected with items, if people wont buy your traded stuff, then you wont sell it simple?
 
86Max: Trading villagers for the more decent items, can be very costly but as well it can it very long, and then yet again you will have to sell your items and you wont know if someone is intrested in it.


EDIT 100th message.

Quote from: Batuus on 10 Oct 2013, 16:43:40

I dont think you understand what I meant, even if the auction will be injected with items, if people wont buy your traded stuff, then you wont sell it simple?

I understand that and as you said you can't sell stuff that no one would buy.

The point is: who wouldn't by a diamond pick for anything that is less valuable than the 3 diamonds you'd normally need to craft it?

Farm paper (autofarm to avoid any sort of work) -> trade paper for emeralds -> trade emeralds for picks -> sell pick -> economy broken.

Getting paper in the last slot requires time, yes, but it's a finite process (and you could always just get another villager if needed).

That's basically what I was doing in the old server with the server shop (wheat+sugarcane+logs = millions noobz).

The server shop was basically the same but slightly better:
there were fixed prices for everything in the shop but everything NOT in the shop kept going up in price.

But you can autofarm alot of stuff, even if you dont trade with the villagers you have an unlimitted money making machine, so why would trading be so OP then? 1 emerald is ATLEAST 24 paper, that is 72 sugar cane each 24 papers, even if you automate it youll require a large scale autofarm. Also, stripmining diamonds is just as easy as trading with villagers really, atleast in my experience but seriously before you even get the good trades like the diamond pickaxes and stuff, you will need to trade ALOT before you unlock the trades and before you have that paper someone will be already richer then you in the old fashioned way. Also, before you even get an auto sugarcane farm youll need buttloads of redstone so thats another reason why it would take very long unless you feel like make a huge sugarcane farm and farm it by hand.

Dont get me wrong , its just my opinion that vanilla trading is fine, the v5.9 villagers just were a complete ripoff really...

It seems that you missed the point where it makes a difference: who would by that much paper?
It's not money until you can sell it. No server shop = no easy money.

Then you find a villager.
All of a sudden you can convert tons of paper into diamond tools.

You can't compare branch mining (which requires hours and is a tedious task) with 5 minutes of AFKing and a button press.

If you think that 24 papers for 1 emerald is a hard trade then go check how much sugarcane a multilayered farm can yeld and if you still have doubts go search on YT for "minecraft perfect villager" (or any up to date villager trading tutorial).

This is exactly what I've been pointing out and branchmining at level 16 = pure profit and easy as hell, ive been doing it with miner_man quite alot and we managed to find stacks of diamonds...

I know about the whole perfect villager, I've seen Xisuma doing it, and it took him quite alot of time to get that perfect villager, and he even had a villager trading boot and villager breeder. If vanilla villagers arent in the server, then other easy ways should just get disabled as well.

Hey guys I have changed into my costume just didn't have time to upload pictures.  Hope it goes well first time trying.  Also I want to thank Tidal so much because while building the set which will be posted separately I got an idea for my house.

Sorry guys while trying to post the set from the outside I found it was too large.

Edit: Thanks Xavier I inverted my suit on the old skin and then put some (*sigh* forgot blood with a y is blurred out) rips in it and tried to show bone but blended in with the skin still works great though.

Let's say it takes 10 hours to get a good villager. It doesn't need to be the perfect one, you just need 2-3 of them.

You can't compare it with 10 hours of branch mining, you need to compare the two on the long run.

After those first 10 hours:
The guy mining will need to keep mining cause his diamonds will run out eventually.
He also needs the diamonds to craft tools, time to travel and food to keep going.

The guy with the trade setup instead just need to press the farm button, trade, sell to someone else for diamonds and get stacks of those without losing any useful resource in the process AND spending less time than the mining guy.

In the old server I went mining once.
When I had the farms I needed I always bought whatever I needed.

After 2-3 months Duelcon was the only one on the server with more money than me (after a while I went inactive) and that was just by abusing MMOskills and no automated farm to quicken the process >_>

I still dont see a problem, whats up with having an opinion?