Banning x-ray texture pack (Read 5409 times)

Blobfish_Bob · « **on:** 13 Oct 2012, 03:12:54 »

Hey everyone,

I was just thinking, do servers have the ability to ban certain texture packs? if so i think the x-ray packs should be permanently banned from Noobscraft. If this was done, it would remove a lot of confusion for the admins and mods, and also everyone would be forced into REAL labor--instead of cheating all the time. Just a thought!

What do you guys think?

Thanks,

Blobfish

Nebih · « **Reply #1 on:** 13 Oct 2012, 03:18:33 »

I'm pretty sure you can't ban texture packs. Considering, the staff catch almost every X-rayer anyways, I don't think that this would make too much of a difference.
Just my thoughts on this.

-Neb

EttaDreamfeather · « **Reply #2 on:** 13 Oct 2012, 03:25:29 »

No, one can't do something like this. And the things that do "help" with it cause too much lag, which we don't want.

Orpheus_only · « **Reply #3 on:** 13 Oct 2012, 04:03:29 »

I once tried on an (incomplete) texture pack that made water completely invisible. This would expose clay completely, making it very much easier to mine. Would that be considered an exploit?

EttaDreamfeather · « **Reply #4 on:** 13 Oct 2012, 04:50:09 »

Yes, that would be considered cheating.

ohlookawall · « **Reply #5 on:** 13 Oct 2012, 06:35:19 »

What about Optifine's Clear Water feature?

EttaDreamfeather · « **Reply #6 on:** 13 Oct 2012, 07:17:52 »

That would be considered too much of an unfair advantage, so I'd make sure that feature is turned off.

buckieUK09 · « **Reply #7 on:** 13 Oct 2012, 11:32:22 »

Even if you could do this, you still have the X-ray mod.

Miner_man123456 · « **Reply #8 on:** 13 Oct 2012, 12:20:18 »

I just got to go in to this little conversation by saying the "Clear Water" on Optifine cant make you look under water like you were standing on the ground, what it does is it higher the water light level by about 30% - 40% Making it easier for you when you hunt clay, but, it is just light enough in my opinion to be consider a cheat, if the clay is far enough away it can not be seen.

Optfine is used to lower the lag on your minecraft and using "Clear Water" do clear a bunch of lag if you have set your Optifine settings correctly, I use this option and have not had any complains yet, it is not like you can cheat and see thru the world like you can with X-ray.

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Even if you could do this, you still have the X-ray mod.

No, the server after what I have heard has blocked this mod as well with the flying thru the Zombe Fly Mod I think it is called, so the only thing you can use to X-ray is using a texture pack.

Blobfish_Bob · « **Reply #9 on:** 14 Oct 2012, 01:48:09 »

Quote from: nebih on 13 Oct 2012, 03:18:33

I'm pretty sure you can't ban texture packs. Considering, the staff catch almost every X-rayer anyways, I don't think that this would make too much of a difference.
Just my thoughts on this.

-Neb

Well, see this is an issue too though, because sometimes they accidentally accuse other players of using x-rays, but really that person wasn't using one. I wish x-raying was banned somehow so that the innocent weren't accused and that the people that do try to bring x-raying into Noobscraft can't join.

-Blob

Jayjay36 · « **Reply #10 on:** 14 Oct 2012, 03:01:16 »

Quote from: Miner_man123456 on 13 Oct 2012, 12:20:18

No, the server after what I have heard has blocked this mod as well with the flying thru the Zombe Fly Mod I think it is called, so the only thing you can use to X-ray is using a texture pack.

Someone got banned for using the X-Ray Mod just recently, I don't think it's blocked.

buckieUK09 · « **Reply #11 on:** 14 Oct 2012, 04:13:41 »

Its not blocked.

Miner_man123456 · « **Reply #12 on:** 14 Oct 2012, 10:44:33 »

Well should it not be blocked? Having the X-ray mod is very more powerful, way more then the texture pack.

On the mod you can see thru the walls and find the ores even if they are blocked off ._.
(I have seen Avo's videos I know how the mod acts)

UnlikelyPirate · « **Reply #13 on:** 14 Oct 2012, 11:57:04 »

I certainly hope that with 1.4, and the mod support that is being incorporated, allows something like this to be done. The idea is that 1.4 will allow servers to tell a client that a mod is required, and then allow the client to download the mod from the server.

The mod could be like a punkbuster mod, that detects the mods installed and prevents the client from connecting to the server if blacklisted mods are enabled. Something like that could also detect the enabled texture pack and disconnect the client if it finds a blacklisted texture pack enabled.

buckieUK09 · « **Reply #14 on:** 14 Oct 2012, 14:25:02 »

I believe if we put an X-ray block on the server, it would cause problems for it, like lag and such.

Nebih · « **Reply #15 on:** 14 Oct 2012, 16:04:26 »

Quote from: Blobfish_Bob on 14 Oct 2012, 01:48:09

Quote from: nebih on 13 Oct 2012, 03:18:33
I'm pretty sure you can't ban texture packs. Considering, the staff catch almost every X-rayer anyways, I don't think that this would make too much of a difference.
Just my thoughts on this.

-Neb

Well, see this is an issue too though, because sometimes they accidentally accuse other players of using x-rays, but really that person wasn't using one. I wish x-raying was banned somehow so that the innocent weren't accused and that the people that do try to bring x-raying into Noobscraft can't join.

-Blob

But, It is indeed better safe then sorry.

-Neb

Miner_man123456 · « **Reply #16 on:** 14 Oct 2012, 16:59:33 »

That is true Buck

Jayjay36 · « **Reply #17 on:** 14 Oct 2012, 22:28:30 »

Quote from: UnlikelyPirate on 14 Oct 2012, 11:57:04

The mod could be like a punkbuster mod, that detects the mods installed and prevents the client from connecting to the server if blacklisted mods are enabled. Something like that could also detect the enabled texture pack and disconnect the client if it finds a blacklisted texture pack enabled.

If this was implemented in Minecraft/Bukkit servers, the rate of cheating would be deducted by loads, it is a great idea. You should suggest it somewhere on the Bukkit forums. The idea with the texturepack is a problem though because they're easy enough to create yourself with programs such as Paint.NET or GIMP, which are free art programs. Blacklisting certain textures wouldn't work because people bound to have customly made packs that haven't been released.

Blobfish_Bob · « **Reply #18 on:** 17 Oct 2012, 00:39:14 »

well has it ever been tried before? installing the block that is.

EttaDreamfeather · « **Reply #19 on:** 22 Oct 2012, 05:33:14 »

I've said before that installing something that "blocks" x-ray would create intense lag. And even if you manage to block the mod, people will create their own texture packs and do it that way.

I once had it explained to me that you could download and install something that would check if a person has invisible blocks, and then it would replace those blocks with say lava or obsidian, so that's all you saw. But that caused such intense lag because it had to check every block every person had, and when you imagine that times our daily of around 70 people? The lag we have now would be a small blip on the scale compared to that.

From what I can see, there's nothing we can do that would not cause intense lag. Which no one wants.