Better VIP kit armor (Read 5573 times)

King0fgames_ · « **on:** 2 Mar 2014, 07:44:21 »

I was thinking the other day about the two armor kits available for VIPs. There's the veteran, which has speed I and haste I, which everyone who has access to it uses. Then there's the VIP armor, which is exclusive to VIP's, yet is completely useless other than for show. If the VIP armor is so exclusive, then why doesn't it have any perks? I was thinking that a good kit, meant to be exclusive, but still balanced, would to have the armor with the perks of the veteran set ( haste I and speed I ), along with protection I, ~~or maybe even a regen boost~~. Just a thought, but I have gotten lots of support for it so far.

Thanks,
Lord0fgames

Edit : No regen boost, I was just throwing out ideas.

HarryX11 · « **Reply #1 on:** 2 Mar 2014, 20:35:13 »

I honestly don't see the point of this. You guys already have Veteran armor with perks and a ton of other things that give you an advantage over other ranks, the last thing you guys need is more perks making it harder for everyone else to keep up with you.

EttaDreamfeather · « **Reply #2 on:** 2 Mar 2014, 22:40:26 »

There's also the problem that it would give VIPs even more advantage in things like PVP, which will probably be added to events again since I know people loved the PVP events. A VIP can just easily just /kit vip and get protected armor when everyone else would have to go and enchant their own.

I mean the list of perks VIPs already have in the area of PVP alone is:
-Counter attacks with swords
-Deflect arrows with unarmed
-Skill time increased by 8 seconds
-Cooldown decreased by 1/4th
-Free Wolf pet

Just the skill increase time makes it deadly towards non-VIPs when you use the attack skills and keep bashing on them.

deebles17 · « **Reply #3 on:** 2 Mar 2014, 22:52:22 »

Here we go again... when will the spoiled quit complaining?

HarryX11 · « **Reply #4 on:** 2 Mar 2014, 23:12:41 »

Quote from: deebles17 on 2 Mar 2014, 22:52:22

Here we go again... when will the spoiled quit complaining?

Tell me about it. Most VIPs are always complaining about how they should get more. You guys should be happy that you guys can even have VIP and have all the perks you have.

HarryX11 · « **Reply #5 on:** 2 Mar 2014, 23:24:38 »

Yeah but what's the differrence between wearing Vet armor VS VIP armor? Last night he was suggesting they throw in a free diamond every time they did /kit VIP. If that's not overkill then I don't know what is. Having regeneration on your armor makes you practically invincible, which is extremely unfair to every other rank.

Shishkahbob · « **Reply #6 on:** 3 Mar 2014, 00:00:48 »

VIP's have many added features that Veterans do not have access to. Despite that... As I understand the added features for the Veteran armor is temporary for the first few months. As a VIP there is both access to Veteran and VIP armor, however it would simply appear that VIP armor has been shafted a bit. In perspective of just the armor itself as there is much more offered with VIP status.

I like the fact that armor is readily available whenever, but I think that VIP armor should have the same stats as Veteran if anything. Right now since every VIP can use Veteran armor there shouldn't really be any complaints. In a way it sends the message that Veterans who may not have supported the server financially, but have slaved away many hours online to get that title are appreciated more than those who have contributed financially. (I don't mean to be harsh, but that's how many people got it). No foul there.... But that is just armor.. I am nuts about /j and as a VIP I have no complaints.

I am very happy with supporting this server and as someone who has waited over a year playing this server to become a VIP I would recommend it to anyone. It's not expensive and it is going towards awesome people who are committed to all of us noobscraftians.

Citebafla · « **Reply #7 on:** 3 Mar 2014, 12:39:25 »

The added features for VIP members more than make up for not having special perks on their armour.

Miner_man123456 · « **Reply #8 on:** 3 Mar 2014, 14:23:46 »

VIP's already get a bunch of perks, stop asking for more, you donated to support the server, not to get a million perks that make everything easier for you.

SeaofRed79 · « **Reply #9 on:** 3 Mar 2014, 19:14:42 »

Just going to say, VIP is funding the server, it keeps it free and up so I don't think that VIPs should be put down so much. It could be a subscription server to cover the costs of running this.

Nebih · « **Reply #10 on:** 3 Mar 2014, 20:44:43 »

Quote from: Miner_man123456 on 3 Mar 2014, 14:23:46

VIP's already get a bunch of perks, stop asking for more, you donated to support the server, not to get a million perks that make everything easier for you.

This. ^

HarryX11 · « **Reply #11 on:** 3 Mar 2014, 21:10:41 »

Quote from: Miner_man123456 on 3 Mar 2014, 14:23:46

VIP's already get a bunch of perks, stop asking for more, you donated to support the server, not to get a million perks that make everything easier for you.

Exactly! And this is coming from a player who is a VIP! VIPs are still respected and the server does need them, but you guys shouldn't be buying the rank just because it makes nearly everything easier for you, but to make sure this server keeps running.

SeaofRed79 · « **Reply #12 on:** 3 Mar 2014, 22:35:54 »

Quote from: Miner_man123456 on 3 Mar 2014, 14:23:46

VIP's already get a bunch of perks, stop asking for more, you donated to support the server, not to get a million perks that make everything easier for you.

Does it matter if we want a million 'for show' perks? I'd rather have more of those

Tidala · « **Reply #13 on:** 3 Mar 2014, 22:44:18 »

Why don't they just take all of the perks away, then you'd be happy with what you got. You paid for it, you knew what you were getting.

HarryX11 · « **Reply #14 on:** 4 Mar 2014, 00:32:46 »

Quote from: SeaofRed79 on 3 Mar 2014, 22:35:54

Quote from: Miner_man123456 on 3 Mar 2014, 14:23:46
VIP's already get a bunch of perks, stop asking for more, you donated to support the server, not to get a million perks that make everything easier for you.

Does it matter if we want a million 'for show' perks? I'd rather have more of those

But they aren't just 'for show' perks, they put other players at a serious disadvantage. The players who got perks with Veteran armor worked their asses off in V5 or are old players who bought VIP before it was changed into Veteran. If VIPs could buy in 5 minutes what other players had worked to get for weeks (if they were the new Vets), it just wouldn't be fair. Like Twisted stated earlier, you guys already are deadly in PVP and have a big advantage over other players in survival, such as more mcMMO perks, /j, /echest, and the magic compass. So adding yet another perk to your already OP list of commands would be ruining the aspect of the survival server this is supposed to be for you guys AND at the same time making it much harder for other ranks to make any sort of a living on the server.

Nebih · « **Reply #15 on:** 4 Mar 2014, 01:56:55 »

Quote from: TidalMewMew on 3 Mar 2014, 22:44:18

Why don't they just take all of the perks away, then you'd be happy with what you got. You paid for it, you knew what you were getting.

I agree with this. If you don't like what you got for paying for VIP, atleast just deal with it and know that you've helped keep the server up and running.

King0fgames_ · « **Reply #16 on:** 4 Mar 2014, 02:30:14 »

I didn't realize this was going to get so much hate, so let me clear some things up.

- Last night when i said they should add a diamond, I was just throwing out ideas, and after I heard the responses, I said that i agreed it would be overpowered, but I also said if they did that then they should make the /kit vip available only once a week, which would be more balanced. Again, I agreed this would be overpowered, and I took it out of my suggestion, obviously as I didn't put it in my post above.

- This is a suggestion thread. Nothing in here will be added just because I posted it, so stop acting like its the end of the world. It's up to the admins if they want to take our suggestions, and obviously they would balance this to how they see fit.

- Not everyone plays PvP on the server, and if you do, then most people would have a set of diamond armor at least, which is still better (as far as I know) than protection I on leather.

- Yes the VIPs already have a ton of perks, but this was just an idea.

- This "upgraded" armor wasn't meant to be for PvP either. I mainly began thinking of this when getting ambushed by a mob while mining and such, and thought it would be nice to have some protection while still getting the perks.

Obviously this is just MY idea, and I wanted to get it out there for others to see. I'm not saying this because I'm spoiled and need better stuff than I have, as I only got VIP for a month and probably will only get more once I save up more money. Most of you are acting as if I posted this as a whining little spoiled 9 year-old, of which I believe I did not. I appreciate your feedback, but again, this is just an idea, on a suggestion thread.

daniel_blackwood · « **Reply #17 on:** 4 Mar 2014, 04:59:47 »

As a VIP who has been here since V2 for crying out loud, and is not a veteran...

-I was unaware that all VIPs had access to Veteran armor. That haste bonus is all I want.
-diamond is extremely OP
-The only ones who seem to be complaining about VIPs asking for too much here are veterans who joined in V5 and got their title by grinding skills 21/7 and always seem to think that a [Veteran] before their names makes them more important than a member.
I get the impression from this that a lot of Veterans see the VIPs as "new money".

I just want that Haste bonus.

HarryX11 · « **Reply #18 on:** 4 Mar 2014, 05:35:35 »

Quote from: Dmonemac95 on 4 Mar 2014, 04:59:47

-The only ones who seem to be complaining about VIPs asking for too much here are veterans who joined in V5 and got their title by grinding skills 21/7 and always seem to think that a [Veteran] before their names makes them more important than a member.
I get the impression from this that a lot of Veterans see the VIPs as "new money".

That is quite untrue. We do not think ourselves better than the members, but we feel that a lot of VIPs feel that way. Most of the veterans that won the title in V5 spent countless hours on the server because they love it. We were told that Vets weren't going to get many extra bonuses from the start, and yet still we played countless hours because we loved the server, not necessarily because we wanted the rank (although that was a great bonus

). I find, and you will find quite a lot of other players feel this way as well, VIPs and non-VIPs alike, that some VIPs just have an attitude like what they got is never enough for what they paid for. The Veterans have this one thing that VIPs don't as "thank you" for their commitment to the server from V5 and before. If you are VIP and Veteran at same time then great you worked for the buffed armor too, so you earned it. But now some of the VIPs want to have the one little tiny thing the rank below them has that they don't. You know what you guys were getting when you paid for the VIP, and as was stated before, your VIP should be more about donating to the server to keep it running than the perks, but those are just an extra upside to getting the rank.

daniel_blackwood · « **Reply #19 on:** 4 Mar 2014, 06:38:15 »

I know what you're talking about. I don't really want a ton of stuff, I would be very content with the xp bonus and the veteran armor, which up until a little while ago i did not know I could access.
That is all I had wanted, and it turns out VIPs had it all along! I am dumb, lol.

I understand the feeling of "Veterans worked for it, VIP's just threw them money" because it seems like SOME veterans didn't even start playing seriously until they realized they could earn veteran, and I don't mean to criticize anyone, but that seemed kind of cheap to me that total noobs to the server could just go all tryhard for a few weeks and get something that other people who had been on for a long time had been trying for playing regularly. (sorry if it seems like I'm complaining about my situation here, i'll admit that i pretty much quit playing once V6 was announced

)
Same concept applies.

Aluxie · « **Reply #20 on:** 4 Mar 2014, 09:23:57 »

So i would just like to say a few things.

1. Harry please tone it down man, you sound really angry in your posts and remember this is a suggestion thread, he is suggesting things so you don't need to go on a rant saying that vips are spoiled.

2. A diamond with /kit vip is overkill but once again, it is a suggestion.

3. I would like to see a perk with the armor even if it is the same as the veteran armor or even if the perk just makes it glow because why not? xD

Thats all i have to say.

fish_james · « **Reply #21 on:** 4 Mar 2014, 13:31:39 »

Well again I agree with XXZEPHARXX so there should be no need to be saying his ideas are stupid and outragious, it's just a suggestion.

I think I would agree to have some sort of protection on the leather because I have died a couple times in caves while wearing the armor, as if i had my NORMAL diamond enchanted armor on, i would've been perfectly fine. Protection 1 would be fine I think and isn't overpowering. And If not that, I think having the VIP armor at LEAST as even stats as the veteran armor is fair. I mean, if a VIP isn't a veteran, why would you wear veteran armor? I'm both, but some people aren't.

I also agree that saying veterans worked harder for it isn't quite accurate either. Yes, I'm veteran, but it was given to me. As it was to a lot of people. And there were a lot more long term players that stopped playing for a while and wasn't donated veteran. And a lot of people DID grind the last month or two to get the veteran rank. So I think all in all, there is always going to be that grey area when it comes to it being fair or not or who 'earned it'. But I think earning money irl and paying it on a server is earning it just as much as a Vet that grinded skills the whole last month. But that's just my opinion.

Thanks,

Fish_James

Miner_man123456 · « **Reply #22 on:** 4 Mar 2014, 13:59:14 »

This has just turned in to a big fight at this point, I am staying out of it.

GrumpyV5 · « **Reply #23 on:** 4 Mar 2014, 15:30:55 »

Ah yes, another "Vet vs Vip - armor/perk fight". Again. The one thing that makes me reconsider donating to the server is on one hand the hostility of some players towards donators(VIPs) as of lately and on the other the "I have paid for that" attitude (that kind of disgraces the donation-thought). This is getting a little out of hand, isn't it? But I fear it's in the human nature that as soon as ranks and perks are involved instinct (and therefore also jealousy towards VIP-perks and Veteran-armor) takes over.

Suggestion:

One complaint about VIP and Veterans here is the balance of pvp, so to balance it (let's not forget that members might consider both the VIP-combat-perks ANd the Veteranarmour as unfair) ...

... change/keep the vet-armor-statuseffects to none-combat perks like Haste, Nightvision

AND

... remove the VIP-combat perks as well.

That way noone will have perks in pvp and everyone will fight under the same conditions.

It might also be worth checking if there could be a pvp-areas were people keep their equipment on death. Atm. I think no one would risk their enchanted stuff in open-pvp as other players might just run away with it. Once people can keep their fully enchanted diamondarmor in pvp, the leatherarmor might become obsolete anyway as will this whole discussion about it.

And it might not hurt to deactivate this Flux-mining-perk for VIP. It sounds fine at first. But with ores dropping as ingots there is quite some loss in smelting-xp (and mcmmo-xp) and people consider it more a pain than a blessing.

Also maybe it would be a nice thing to give regular members at least 1 sethome (instead of/additionaly to /home bed, as beds aren't that easy to aquire in a protected world and going home from the miningworld can be quite a pain if you don't yet have a /home).

ItsLawrence · « **Reply #24 on:** 4 Mar 2014, 16:12:50 »

VIP armour now has the same perks as the Veteran armour. You can now wear either and you will get the same effects.

I'm going to lock this topic to prevent further arguing about VIP perks, if you wish to create another friendly discussion about that please feel free to do so in a new topic.