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I like the idea of a fair MCMMO system, but moderators not being able to fly? That would be like a ship without a steering wheel, so im not sure about that.
Quote from: Batuus on 31 Dec 2013, 07:50:32I like the idea of a fair MCMMO system, but moderators not being able to fly? That would be like a ship without a steering wheel, so im not sure about that.Agreed here, being a former mod myself. Moderators NEED to have flying on Noobscraft for various reasons that I probably shouldn't (nor do I think I'm actually allowed to. xD) go into. The downside is yes, you gain a small unfair advantage with MCMMO skills, but I'll provide a few small tidbits here that might help.1. Acrobatics training requires a mod to turn their flymode off completely, since Flymode disables ALL falling damage. This is kind of why I never had an extremely high Acrobatics level throughout all of V5, because I didn't discover this until much later. So mods can't just use Flymode to train that.2. Outside of mining Quartz and Glowstone off the ceiling of the Nether, that's about the biggest advantage you get mining-wise, which, to be honest, is not that great of an advantage given the low price of those two items on the server.3. Probably the two biggest and the only immediate advantages Mods get as a result of Flymode are easier traveling and easier building. Which, even so, is again not a big advantage.Realistically I never saw my flymode as giving me THAT big of an advantage over standard members or VIPs. It's still a necessary power for mods to have. As for a fair MCMMO system, yes, perhaps this is worth talking to Foob about. There's a tad bit of "pay-to-win" with VIP because of the constant 2x MCMMO benefits, a type of policy I've never approved of. Maybe someone can do some research about players who got in the Top 10 for MCMMO in V5 and WEREN'T VIP at all throughout it.
Quote from: Bexn on 31 Dec 2013, 12:30:41Quote from: Batuus on 31 Dec 2013, 07:50:32I like the idea of a fair MCMMO system, but moderators not being able to fly? That would be like a ship without a steering wheel, so im not sure about that.Agreed here, being a former mod myself. Moderators NEED to have flying on Noobscraft for various reasons that I probably shouldn't (nor do I think I'm actually allowed to. xD) go into. The downside is yes, you gain a small unfair advantage with MCMMO skills, but I'll provide a few small tidbits here that might help.1. Acrobatics training requires a mod to turn their flymode off completely, since Flymode disables ALL falling damage. This is kind of why I never had an extremely high Acrobatics level throughout all of V5, because I didn't discover this until much later. So mods can't just use Flymode to train that.2. Outside of mining Quartz and Glowstone off the ceiling of the Nether, that's about the biggest advantage you get mining-wise, which, to be honest, is not that great of an advantage given the low price of those two items on the server.3. Probably the two biggest and the only immediate advantages Mods get as a result of Flymode are easier traveling and easier building. Which, even so, is again not a big advantage.Realistically I never saw my flymode as giving me THAT big of an advantage over standard members or VIPs. It's still a necessary power for mods to have. As for a fair MCMMO system, yes, perhaps this is worth talking to Foob about. There's a tad bit of "pay-to-win" with VIP because of the constant 2x MCMMO benefits, a type of policy I've never approved of. Maybe someone can do some research about players who got in the Top 10 for MCMMO in V5 and WEREN'T VIP at all throughout it. Being able to fly is NOT necessary for moderators to do their job. This is pure fiction. The entire moderation team over on the other server I play on are not allowed to fly for the very reason I stated. They deal with the same issues there that are here in Noobscraft (helping people, repairing griefs, issuing bans, investigating quarrels, etc.). For the times where they would need to fly (events, etc.), they are given temporary rights.As far as giving an advantage in mcmmo, I personally witnessed a former moderator flying around killing mobs in V5. This is a huge advantage. When I asked him if he was cheating, he said he could because mod's were allowed. Then he bragged to another player that he would increase his mcmmo and then "let" certain others "catch up". Ugh, the arrogance of that mod.Nevertheless, if moderators are to fly, then put them in a separate category in mcmmo ranks.Max
Being able to fly is not necessary for their roles, but it does help them quicken up the pace of the situation they are dealing with. Moderators are players who are helping the server for free, we don't like to see moderators spending their time walking up and down huge buildings to investigate griefs, to check an area or to deal with any situation in general. The idea is they go and do what they need to and return to what they WANT to do, in the quickest time possible. That's only fair. It's like asking why do we need a car? We can still get to the same place by walking, but it's x10 times quicker.
As for competitiveness, the mcmmo has never been intended that way it is simply a 'Skill system' to quicken up your survival experience and to help out your town. The higher mcmmo you have the more useful you may be to your town members, this isn't a pvp based server and it's not a race.
And if you continuously return to our forums just to mention how you are having a better experience elsewhere, then why are you wasting your time and effort. Just a thought.
Obviously, I have hit a nerve. Very infrequently do I mention other servers in my posts (and never by name). When I do it is mostly as a point of reference or details of my experiences. If you believe I continuously return to your forums "just to mention other places", you are sorely mistaken.
I don't think we need a comparison to another server
it seems like there is a systematic pattern in mentioning other servers
If your only basis for judging success or failure is to only compare yourself to yourself, you will never be the best.
If you only see my posts as a systematic effort to mention other servers, then this will be my last post.
Quote from: Fatnoob on 31 Dec 2013, 17:36:06Being able to fly is not necessary for their roles, but it does help them quicken up the pace of the situation they are dealing with. Moderators are players who are helping the server for free, we don't like to see moderators spending their time walking up and down huge buildings to investigate griefs, to check an area or to deal with any situation in general. The idea is they go and do what they need to and return to what they WANT to do, in the quickest time possible. That's only fair. It's like asking why do we need a car? We can still get to the same place by walking, but it's x10 times quicker.My forum post was not intended to be a discussion on whether mods should fly or not, but rather, as the topic is clear, implementation of fair mcmmo. My suggestion is centered around making the mcmmo on this server fair, which in the past hasn't been.Quote from: Fatnoob on 31 Dec 2013, 17:36:06As for competitiveness, the mcmmo has never been intended that way it is simply a 'Skill system' to quicken up your survival experience and to help out your town. The higher mcmmo you have the more useful you may be to your town members, this isn't a pvp based server and it's not a race.Whether it was meant that way or not, mcmmo leveling/ranking is a competition with many if not most players. This is a game afterall and competition is part of the experience. In addition, this server encourages this competitive nature intentionally by posting mcmmo rankings for each skill. If it was never intended to be that way, then why encouage such activity?Quote from: Fatnoob on 31 Dec 2013, 17:36:06And if you continuously return to our forums just to mention how you are having a better experience elsewhere, then why are you wasting your time and effort. Just a thought.Obviously, I have hit a nerve. Very infrequently do I mention other servers in my posts (and never by name). When I do it is mostly as a point of reference or details of my experiences. If you believe I continuously return to your forums "just to mention other places", you are sorely mistaken.
As Waterworth mentioned, we do love user feedback but telling us to change things based on another server will not go down well here.
I agree with the idea.Also, when Max said that you "can't compare yourself to yourself or you will never be the best" he was perfectly right. I don't see what Foob or Water was saying when they said "you can't compare Noobscraft to other servers because that would be like comparing Noobscraft to MineApoc". That is actually quite far off in my opinion because MineApoc and Noobscraft are two completely different types of servers. Max is comparing this server with another towny+ MCmmo server. That's just my two cents on the matter.
Quote from: HarryX11 on 1 Jan 2014, 18:08:05I agree with the idea.Also, when Max said that you "can't compare yourself to yourself or you will never be the best" he was perfectly right. I don't see what Foob or Water was saying when they said "you can't compare Noobscraft to other servers because that would be like comparing Noobscraft to MineApoc". That is actually quite far off in my opinion because MineApoc and Noobscraft are two completely different types of servers. Max is comparing this server with another towny+ MCmmo server. That's just my two cents on the matter.I thank you for conveying your opinion, and as I mentioned your opinions are certainly valued and taken into account, but if I may just pick up on a point you mentioned about comparing servers; what I meant by the quote 'You can't compare Noobscraft to other servers...' I didn't mean it is impossible to compare servers, it is certainly not impossible, just unfeasible; you could make the comparison that economies on other servers are different to Noobscraft's, but like I've mentioned before, we use custom plugins, namely the Auction in this case; which gives players more flexibility to chose prices rather than a linear price for everyone.Although, I agree with the comment that Noobscraft and Apoc are both completely different types of servers, and maybe it was a poor example, but I was speaking metaphorically, or rather typing metaphorically Essentially, what I'm trying to say is that the Noobstown experience is somewhat unique, therefore any comparison wouldn't really be beneficial to us, I hope this reply provides at least a bit of clarity -Waterworth
I agree with max there are lots of other good servers out there, lots of those servers use some of the same pluggins and are slightly simaler to noobstown in that aspect. But other than that, noobscraft is different. Different people, different custom pluggins, and so on. So while the admin team isnt trying to create the Best server they're trying to create a server that sits with the best and will create a great family experience for all who join.Am i right?-Drew