Lava (Read 9084 times)

hchambers · « **Reply #25 on:** 13 Feb 2012, 22:44:11 »

Id take lava any day over fire.

Timberwolf77 · « **Reply #26 on:** 14 Feb 2012, 03:38:10 »

Would it be possible to use some sort of plug-in to make it so that lava could only be placed on specific blocks? Like you could only place a bucket of lava only on diamond blocks, obsidian, or something hard to obtain like that so people wouldn't be able to just place lava to kill someone, they would have to place a hard to break and find block down first them put the lava on top of it; which would give someone ample time to put some distance between themselves and the lava before it's placed and depending on the block used it would be fairly difficult or impossible (without the right pickaxe) to reset. Also if the block was hard enough to get, it might not be practical to grief with especially with fire spreading off and the best part of all of this will be all the cool things people would be able to make with lava again! Sorry about the run-ons and the length. :X Anyway think about it!

clash99 · « **Reply #27 on:** 14 Feb 2012, 03:52:36 »

Or how about you let only mayors and TA's place it only in their town that way it reduces griefes because in towns only friends and the owner could break it and I know for sure if i invested my time to become a Ta it woud suck if my status was taken away.

nickolas927 · « **Reply #28 on:** 14 Feb 2012, 12:32:17 »

Quote from: Timberwolf77 on 14 Feb 2012, 03:38:10

Would it be possible to use some sort of plug-in to make it so that lava could only be placed on specific blocks? Like you could only place a bucket of lava only on diamond blocks, obsidian, or something hard to obtain like that so people wouldn't be able to just place lava to kill someone, they would have to place a hard to break and find block down first them put the lava on top of it; which would give someone ample time to put some distance between themselves and the lava before it's placed and depending on the block used it would be fairly difficult or impossible (without the right pickaxe) to reset. Also if the block was hard enough to get, it might not be practical to grief with especially with fire spreading off and the best part of all of this will be all the cool things people would be able to make with lava again! Sorry about the run-ons and the length. :X Anyway think about it!

if your tl;dr heres the short version: can you make lava on harder to break or harder to obtain blocks?

clash99 · « **Reply #29 on:** 15 Feb 2012, 03:28:50 »

I still think you should bring back lava in town so that people can creat peaceful buildings with them or alternativly you can put a plugin so that lava only brings you to a half of a heart or something.

Jayjay36 · « **Reply #30 on:** 15 Feb 2012, 16:58:35 »

Quote from: clash99 on 15 Feb 2012, 03:28:50

I still think you should bring back lava in town so that people can creat peaceful buildings with them or alternativly you can put a plugin so that lava only brings you to a half of a heart or something.

I see people saying "you should get a plugin" "you can put a plugin".. It's not always that easy to find a good, updated plugin that will work with all the other plugins that this server has installed.

clash99 · « **Reply #31 on:** 15 Feb 2012, 18:08:18 »

Yeah maybe you should just llow Ta's and mayors to put lava it would ease up the trouble of griefers over allowing all players to put it down

nickolas927 · « **Reply #32 on:** 16 Feb 2012, 13:09:06 »

Quote from: clash99 on 15 Feb 2012, 18:08:18

Yeah maybe you should just llow Ta's and mayors to put lava it would ease up the trouble of griefers over allowing all players to put it down

and for this i give you a YES!
YES!

clash99 · « **Reply #33 on:** 16 Feb 2012, 15:22:41 »

Yeah so can an admin approve of this idea because i'm itching to create a cobble stone generator for port magma

Licksterboy · « **Reply #34 on:** 17 Feb 2012, 04:04:37 »

Clash, I think we have already told you, but lava and fire are being are staying disabled. We also couldn't let mayor and TA use them because how do we know that they are not a griefer or killer? My suggestion, ask an admin if they can just place a bucket of lava where you want it. I am not sure about that though, I'll have to double check if admins do that or not.

hchambers · « **Reply #35 on:** 17 Feb 2012, 04:19:54 »

Maybe a probation period where a member isn't allowed to use certain items until they have been a member x amount of time?

nickolas927 · « **Reply #36 on:** 17 Feb 2012, 13:03:04 »

well you see the reason for only a mayor or TA to use lava is good because....
1) TA's are generally only trusted people chosen by mayor
2) mayors can't exactley BE mayors if they are corrupt enough to grief/kill
3) if by some chance they DO kill/grief, residents can leave said town and move to one that wont do such
4) again i say, cobblestone gens for the towns!
5) if a TA or mayor puts the lava and or fire for a town resident, that person will know what will happen to the lava or fire and accept or deny the placement of such fiery substance

clash99 · « **Reply #37 on:** 17 Feb 2012, 18:08:53 »

Yeah nick has a good point ppl who do put enough time into one server must be devoted and probably wouldn't waste so much time or money just to put down lava

I do respect your point Lickster but to say the truth most admins have become complacient with their lives or are usually too buzy to tp to everyone who wants to put a bucket of lava down AND deal with griefers it would be a little bit too muh work 4 them I checked the bukkit plugins and it turns out the "Big Brother" plugin has a few limitations.

another problem is hackers which can mess up the server

Licksterboy · « **Reply #38 on:** 20 Feb 2012, 05:14:01 »

I am sorry for all the unconvinced all of you are having, but for right now you will just have to live with no lava and fire. Clash you are right about admins being busy, they are working on a lot of cool and new stuff for the server. I am sure if the server is able to get a plugin like that they will look over it. We will just have to be happy and have patients so the admins can help us with our lava needs.

zeel01 · « **Reply #39 on:** 14 Mar 2012, 16:41:22 »

Quote from: nickolas927 on 17 Feb 2012, 13:03:04

well you see the reason for only a mayor or TA to use lava is good because....
1) TA's are generally only trusted people chosen by mayor
2) mayors can't exactley BE mayors if they are corrupt enough to grief/kill
3) if by some chance they DO kill/grief, residents can leave said town and move to one that wont do such
4) again i say, cobblestone gens for the towns!
5) if a TA or mayor puts the lava and or fire for a town resident, that person will know what will happen to the lava or fire and accept or deny the placement of such fiery substance

This seems perfectly reasonable, why would a Mayor/TA grief their own town? After paying 100,000 noobs for a town, it would be great if that came with some added abilities, like placing lava/fire in my town. As long as I can ONLY place it in MY town I can't really grief. Sure I could grief my own villagers, but they would just leave.

DragonSoulSong · « **Reply #40 on:** 14 Mar 2012, 17:18:55 »

Quote from: zeel01 on 14 Mar 2012, 16:41:22

Quote from: nickolas927 on 17 Feb 2012, 13:03:04
well you see the reason for only a mayor or TA to use lava is good because....
1) TA's are generally only trusted people chosen by mayor
2) mayors can't exactley BE mayors if they are corrupt enough to grief/kill
3) if by some chance they DO kill/grief, residents can leave said town and move to one that wont do such
4) again i say, cobblestone gens for the towns!
5) if a TA or mayor puts the lava and or fire for a town resident, that person will know what will happen to the lava or fire and accept or deny the placement of such fiery substance

This seems perfectly reasonable, why would a Mayor/TA grief their own town? After paying 100,000 noobs for a town, it would be great if that came with some added abilities, like placing lava/fire in my town. As long as I can ONLY place it in MY town I can't really grief. Sure I could grief my own villagers, but they would just leave.

Good thought indeed. But I'm not sure if that's possible with permissions/towny. Though I'm sure that I could personally write a small plugin that could handle that. XD Wouldn't be hard really, and could be of benefit to towns. *shrug*

Jayjay36 · « **Reply #41 on:** 14 Mar 2012, 19:35:14 »

Quote from: zeel01 on 14 Mar 2012, 16:41:22

Quote from: nickolas927 on 17 Feb 2012, 13:03:04
well you see the reason for only a mayor or TA to use lava is good because....
1) TA's are generally only trusted people chosen by mayor
2) mayors can't exactley BE mayors if they are corrupt enough to grief/kill
3) if by some chance they DO kill/grief, residents can leave said town and move to one that wont do such
4) again i say, cobblestone gens for the towns!
5) if a TA or mayor puts the lava and or fire for a town resident, that person will know what will happen to the lava or fire and accept or deny the placement of such fiery substance

This seems perfectly reasonable, why would a Mayor/TA grief their own town? After paying 100,000 noobs for a town, it would be great if that came with some added abilities, like placing lava/fire in my town. As long as I can ONLY place it in MY town I can't really grief. Sure I could grief my own villagers, but they would just leave.

What if I were new to the server and seemed like a nice, chatty and helpful person so you gave me TA a few hours later or the next day... Then I griefed with lava or fire, people go to amazing extents to hurt others in any way they can.

DragonSoulSong · « **Reply #42 on:** 14 Mar 2012, 19:46:53 »

Quote from: Jayjay36 on 14 Mar 2012, 19:35:14

Quote from: zeel01 on 14 Mar 2012, 16:41:22
Quote from: nickolas927 on 17 Feb 2012, 13:03:04
well you see the reason for only a mayor or TA to use lava is good because....
1) TA's are generally only trusted people chosen by mayor
2) mayors can't exactley BE mayors if they are corrupt enough to grief/kill
3) if by some chance they DO kill/grief, residents can leave said town and move to one that wont do such
4) again i say, cobblestone gens for the towns!
5) if a TA or mayor puts the lava and or fire for a town resident, that person will know what will happen to the lava or fire and accept or deny the placement of such fiery substance

This seems perfectly reasonable, why would a Mayor/TA grief their own town? After paying 100,000 noobs for a town, it would be great if that came with some added abilities, like placing lava/fire in my town. As long as I can ONLY place it in MY town I can't really grief. Sure I could grief my own villagers, but they would just leave.
What if I were new to the server and seemed like a nice, chatty and helpful person so you gave me TA a few hours later or the next day... Then I griefed with lava or fire, people go to amazing extents to hurt others in any way they can.

And thus a potential solution, only mayors (and mods/admins obviously) are able to place lava/fire within town borders. That could be a possible solution.

zeel01 · « **Reply #43 on:** 14 Mar 2012, 21:10:55 »

Either limit the power to mayors, or expect Mayors to have better judgement (The citizens might leave if the Mayor is stupid).

An alternative would be to let players place lava/fire on plots they own. Thus they must pay for the right, and the land belongs to them. Then by definition anything in that plot is their property, and they could not grief others. Then an individual is responsible for permitting others to place lava/fire in that plot. Just as we can give others access to chests.

nickolas927 · « **Reply #44 on:** 17 Mar 2012, 00:45:47 »

Quote from: Jayjay36 on 14 Mar 2012, 19:35:14

Quote from: zeel01 on 14 Mar 2012, 16:41:22
Quote from: nickolas927 on 17 Feb 2012, 13:03:04
well you see the reason for only a mayor or TA to use lava is good because....
1) TA's are generally only trusted people chosen by mayor
2) mayors can't exactley BE mayors if they are corrupt enough to grief/kill
3) if by some chance they DO kill/grief, residents can leave said town and move to one that wont do such
4) again i say, cobblestone gens for the towns!
5) if a TA or mayor puts the lava and or fire for a town resident, that person will know what will happen to the lava or fire and accept or deny the placement of such fiery substance

This seems perfectly reasonable, why would a Mayor/TA grief their own town? After paying 100,000 noobs for a town, it would be great if that came with some added abilities, like placing lava/fire in my town. As long as I can ONLY place it in MY town I can't really grief. Sure I could grief my own villagers, but they would just leave.
What if I were new to the server and seemed like a nice, chatty and helpful person so you gave me TA a few hours later or the next day... Then I griefed with lava or fire, people go to amazing extents to hurt others in any way they can.

OBJECTION! statement 1 deals with that, there is never a set limit to be a TA and i know how you trying to get across with "fake trust-idge" but, you can make them TA and you can un make then TA

Jayjay36 · « **Reply #45 on:** 17 Mar 2012, 18:55:59 »

Quote from: nickolas927 on 17 Mar 2012, 00:45:47

Quote from: Jayjay36 on 14 Mar 2012, 19:35:14
Quote from: zeel01 on 14 Mar 2012, 16:41:22
Quote from: nickolas927 on 17 Feb 2012, 13:03:04
well you see the reason for only a mayor or TA to use lava is good because....
1) TA's are generally only trusted people chosen by mayor
2) mayors can't exactley BE mayors if they are corrupt enough to grief/kill
3) if by some chance they DO kill/grief, residents can leave said town and move to one that wont do such
4) again i say, cobblestone gens for the towns!
5) if a TA or mayor puts the lava and or fire for a town resident, that person will know what will happen to the lava or fire and accept or deny the placement of such fiery substance

This seems perfectly reasonable, why would a Mayor/TA grief their own town? After paying 100,000 noobs for a town, it would be great if that came with some added abilities, like placing lava/fire in my town. As long as I can ONLY place it in MY town I can't really grief. Sure I could grief my own villagers, but they would just leave.
What if I were new to the server and seemed like a nice, chatty and helpful person so you gave me TA a few hours later or the next day... Then I griefed with lava or fire, people go to amazing extents to hurt others in any way they can.
OBJECTION! statement 1 deals with that, there is never a set limit to be a TA and i know how you trying to get across with "fake trust-idge" but, you can make them TA and you can un make then TA

Not before it's too late.

Angel_Lord · « **Reply #46 on:** 17 Mar 2012, 21:42:56 »

No more voids please...

Remember that we can easily rollback all that damage.

zeel01 · « **Reply #47 on:** 19 Mar 2012, 20:57:18 »

Very true, it might happen once in blue moon and then be fixed. But takes no more to fix than block breaking. As long as few people have the ability the chances that this will happen is low.

And a mod could go rogue just as easily, sure they are screened but I once played on a server where this really nice OP and everyone loved him. Week later he WorldEdited the entire world to lava and force saved. There were no backups/rollbacks due to the server being on a transitional version (plugins not up to date). It happens, we can either trust no one or trust that we will probably catch the bad eggs before they crack.

nickolas927 · « **Reply #48 on:** 20 Mar 2012, 00:10:42 »

Our dear Joe has VERY high standards for his mods

on does not simple
GO rouge on the server