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justinwon

KONY 2012
« on: 9 Mar 2012, 07:39:18 »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc#ws
its very sad HELP FIGHT FOR KONY 2012 :D

Miner_man123456

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #1 on: 9 Mar 2012, 09:06:56 »
Yeah lets buy a tshirt, i do not help you know ?

Jayjay36

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #2 on: 9 Mar 2012, 15:16:14 »
Kony is a man that abducts children in Uganda. Kony makes the children kill their parents and then he makes them into soldiers.... What a sick person :(

DragonSoulSong

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #3 on: 9 Mar 2012, 17:35:30 »
While I don't agree with what Kony's doing, and I do want him to be stopped and get his "just desserts" if you will...I don't fully agree with/support the Kony 2012 movement. Now, before people get angry and start flaming me, please watch the video below to see why I say this.


teryonbust

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #4 on: 9 Mar 2012, 23:23:20 »
This is invisiblechildreninc's 10th video about Kony and movement whatever they just got lucky this year.
There's a lot of interview with Kony too, and Kony is saying that the Uganda Gov't is doing this to the children.
According to Joseph Kony he is not kidnapping some kids but "saving" them...
Try watching some interviews with him, look at the background there were no "30,000" children.
PS. There is a latest interview with Kony- march 2012  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5oBxBAY3fg#ws

*EDIT or.. he prolly hid all 30k kids. ( I don't think they can hide that much people in the forest.)
They grew up? ( I dunno.)
They killed them? (O_O)
or.... the video KONY 2012 exaggerated too much.
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Jayjay36

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #5 on: 10 Mar 2012, 12:38:40 »
Or Kony is dead and the videos are fake... I heard that there hasn't been a reported sighting of him for years?

teryonbust

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #6 on: 10 Mar 2012, 19:37:59 »
Or Kony is dead and the videos are fake... I heard that there hasn't been a reported sighting of him for years?

 Uhmm watch the video ^ they just interviewed Kony. like 3-4 days ago.

Jayjay36

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #7 on: 10 Mar 2012, 19:51:04 »
Or Kony is dead and the videos are fake... I heard that there hasn't been a reported sighting of him for years?

 Uhmm watch the video ^ they just interviewed Kony. like 3-4 days ago.
Alright, I haven't searched anything about Kony, that's why I said "I heard that" :P, thanks for correcting me though ;)

masterrbc

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #8 on: 12 Mar 2012, 06:28:20 »
Lets be truthful, i am just sayin' my own opinion here, but this is also a reason that america can use to invade uganda and take their oil...... just saying, think about it. also i do not support kony or what-ever i am against what he is doing, but i do see it from his point of view, what he is doing. if he beleives he is saving someone, that is his opinion, i am just saying is all... but anyway as i said, i beleive that america may use this as an excuse to invade uganada.

Jayjay36

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #9 on: 12 Mar 2012, 07:41:26 »
Absolutely right BBC... I'll kill my mum and go live with Kony? He definitely save my life even though he'll just put me into more danger as a soldier.

ChinaneChinane

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #10 on: 12 Mar 2012, 20:55:13 »
wow this is sad D;, in china there is something similar, they kidnap disable children and make them work in factories D: im gonna try to do my part

tyja

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #11 on: 12 Mar 2012, 21:27:52 »
He hasnt been Seen in 6 years.  I agree masterbC, it is just A way for aMerica  to invade uganda, and interfere even more in things that dont pertain to them.

Jayjay36

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #12 on: 12 Mar 2012, 23:07:26 »
He hasnt been Seen in 6 years.

That's what I heard/thought, but someone said he done an interview recently? :S look at the posts above mine.

tyja

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #13 on: 13 Mar 2012, 01:06:29 »
Oh i saw them. He said it, but decided to post a video from years ago. Strange, if you ask me.  Just another thing; It hasn't been televised because it is no longer a problem. Kony has less then 200 followers now and hasn't been in Uganda for 6 years now. If you want to help Africa, then leave them alone. I'm sure they would appreciate it more than trying to be the white man going to save the poor black man. 

masterrbc

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #14 on: 13 Mar 2012, 05:36:33 »
JJ, if you LOOK at what i said, i said
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i do not support kony or what-ever i am against what he is doing, but i do see it from his point of view, what he is doing. if he beleives he is saving someone, that is his opinion

i did NOT say i support what he is doing, but i do see it from HIS P.O.V. (Point of View) ok????

Jayjay36

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #15 on: 13 Mar 2012, 19:43:06 »
JJ, if you LOOK at what i said, i said
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i do not support kony or what-ever i am against what he is doing, but i do see it from his point of view, what he is doing. if he beleives he is saving someone, that is his opinion

i did NOT say i support what he is doing, but i do see it from HIS P.O.V. (Point of View) ok????
I know that..

tyja

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #16 on: 13 Mar 2012, 22:17:15 »
Ya, i read Jay's post, thinking he was agreeing with you. But i may have been mistaken.

ChinaneChinane

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #17 on: 14 Mar 2012, 20:55:47 »
He hasnt been Seen in 6 years.

That's what I heard/thought, but someone said he done an interview recently? :S look at the posts above mine.
lots of people say hes dead, idk what to believe but im still gonna donate

Jayjay36

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #18 on: 14 Mar 2012, 21:02:43 »
I also heard that it was all a scam and 72% or something goes to Kony :S

Geoboy66

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #19 on: 14 Mar 2012, 23:31:53 »
Whether or not the money goes directly to the fund or not, it isn't a fundraiser it is a rise of awareness, to let the government know that WE care about Kony 2012, and so should they.  I feel it is my right to help raise awareness of Joseph Kony's crimes, and if you think the opposite - may your heart be guided to sovengard.

tyja

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #20 on: 14 Mar 2012, 23:45:20 »
Maybe if the issue was recent, i would care.  Or if youtube wasnt full of unintelligent saps that will post anything sad on facebook.

ajhl49

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #21 on: 15 Mar 2012, 01:01:37 »
    The problem that may arise with this whole scenario is that there is most likely a lot of misinformation going on here. That is a major flaw that can occur with the Internet, since many do not check facts that may have been propagated by the other millions of people connected(Wikipedia, anyone?). Is Invisible Children really doing it's job for these people, or is it corrupted by greed? Is Kony still alive, or is he dead, and now we are chasing either the remnant militia or something else? Is there some ulterior motive behind this, pushed by a major government?

    The fact is, it is extremely hard to part the truth from rumors and lies. To speculate upon something like this is dangerous, as it may well continue to spread the rumors and lies, distorting the truth more and more. As some can see from the previous posts, this can create a few very disturbing rumors.

    Now, don't get me wrong, Invisible Children has done a great job, and Kony is definitely a terrible person that should be brought to justice. However, we need to realize that probably 50-60% of the posts on this topic are wrong. It could be that my post is even wrong somehow. You never know.

TL;DR.   Kony sucks; Invisible Children suspicious; like always, never assume what you hear is correct, especially from the Internet

AlbatrosV5

Re: KONY 2012
« Reply #22 on: 23 Mar 2012, 04:21:49 »
On one side there are Kony and his rebels. They are said to be responsible for several warcrimes. The International Criminal Court is investigating against him since 2005 (and also issued an arrest warrant).
In 2010 the American Congress approved the "Lord’s Resistance Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act of 2009" and due to this Act the US goverment send 100 US soldiers to Uganda (in 2011) as military advisors for the goverment of Uganda.

Now, it`s easy to say that you have to support campains against Kony, but what can a foreign goverment actually do? There is no international support for Kony that could be cut by the western goverments and to arrest him you would have to send troops to that area. Sending troops (or the military advisors) would mean to support the Ugandan goverment against Kony. But does the fact that Kony is defnitely a "Bad guy" automaticaly mean that there must be the "Good guys" on the other side?

On the other side is the goverment of Uganda under President Museveni. He became president after a rebellion against the dictator Obote (who himself "followed" Idi Aminto power) in 1986. He gained lots of international support by promising to form the country into a democracy. The first elections nevertheless weren`t  held until 1996 (10 years later). The constitution of Uganda was originally allowing a president to stay in power for two terms only. But constitutions are very easily changed. In 2011 Museveni won the elections for his 4th term (4 terms additional to the 10 years in power without elections). In 2006 the leader of the Ugandan opposition and the opposition candidate for the presidental elections 2006 was arrested shortly before the elections. During the court hearing against the opposition leader the High court was even besieged by goverment troops, which sparked international protests. Only after several european countries withheld their economical support for the president the release of the opposition leader was ordered (he was arrested again in 2011, another election year).
If all that sounds familiar you might want to look at Tunisia`s former president Ben Ali or Egypt`s Mubarak.

Now if you ask the US goverment to support Uganda against Kony you might want to look carefully at what you are actually asking them to do. By sending military advisors or even military aid you might end up in a similar situation the western nations (and russia, altough they don`t care) ended up in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and Syria. All 4 countries (even Libya after Gaddafi started playing nice with the west) received advisors from the west and were even sold weapons (for examples American tanks for Egypt, german patrolboats for Tunisia and tons of american and european guns for all of them).  Now guess who is selling the ugandan goverment all the weapons needed for the fight against Kony. And there are reports of big organizations like Humans Rights Watch ans Amnesty international that both sides in this conflict have used child soldiers. Do you really want your country to send military advisors or sell weapons to a president like Museveni?

Now if you say that you don`t want to support any military actions by the US goverment, but still say you to support the Kony2012 movement - well, you might want to look at what exactly Invisible Children is only asking for, but actively pursuing.

The "Lord's Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act (Public Law 111-172)" allowed President Obama to send 100 military advisors to Uganda. It also allows him to "provide ... military, and intelligence support ... to apprehend or remove Joseph Kony and his top commanders from the battlefield in the continued absence of a negotiated solution" - for the whole text please refer to the actual bill text in the online library of congress under this link, I shortened it to highlight the part of the sentence that actually allows the president to send troops and the US intelligence services to Uganda.
And it already was used to send military aid to the region (100 advisors is a quite high number for simply providing advise and of course the goverment doesn`t have to state how big the "intelligence support" is. ;) ).

How is this bill connected to Invisible Children? Well, when the president signed this bill into law the supporters of the bill were present in the Oval Office (that`s actually a common practice in the White House). Just take a look at the list of these people in this press statement on the website of the White house Link and see who`s listed right next to the ugandan ambassador. The executive director of Invisible children.

So, before you support any campaigns, make sure to get some background information. And don`t just take the information that is found on google or wikipedia, these informations are rarely objective and often even manipulated. If you see that an organization supports a law, take a look at the law yourself (they are easy to find in the US, just check the library of congress for example - american laws are often even quite easy to understand; compared to them german laws for example are a nightmare even for lawyers).
Think about the question who really gets supported here. And don`t give a damn about any celebrities involved, most celebrities are eager to be part of anything that is succesfull and can boost their profile (some of these celebs condemned the military action in Iraq and now kind of support possible military actions in Uganda, because they don`t really thought about it or simply because their manager told them that it is a good PR-thing).

And DON`T give anything about the fact how many followers on facebook or viewers on youtube a campaign has. That`s no criteria for quality at all. Every time someone proudly told me how many friends on facebook/weibo he or his organization, company or embassy has , I always had to think about one sentence:
"If Facebook had been around in the late 1930`s, guess how many friends Adolf would have had."
Well, lucky me, youtube and facebook are banned here anyway, so since we moved here I don`t have to bother with them anymore. :D

So, if you really want to support Kony2012, go ahead but be aware that you might also support US military actions in Uganda (actions that benefit a ugandan president who clings to his power like Mubarak did). It`s not a "bad" campaign and the intensions are good, but most people simply aren`t aware about the consequences.



Oh yes, and to masterrbc`s theory of a "US invasion because of the oil". Well, the congress started debating the bill in 2009. Guess what was discovered in Uganda in 2009 (Link to an article in "The economist" about the discovery).
I don`t think that an invasion is likely. But the fact that the US supported the Ugandan president with 100 military advisors (and who knows what else in the intelligence, political and economic sector) might come in handy once US companies want to exploit these new oilfields ;) "You scratch my back and I scratch yours"

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