Can we have a list of /vipshop goods?

i think "automating" would refer to auto replanting, auto harvesting and auto storing cocoa beans using a lot of redstone, hoppers, repeaters etc. or i could be wrong but i think that might be the meaning of "automating" in this case.

You can't currently autoreplant anything in the game (dispensers don't do that, yet) but you can just spam right click on jungle logs with the beans since you have a range of 6 blocks (it doesn't need to be a whole tree) and collect the drops with hoppers.
With an elevated platform you could reach 6 blocks above and 6 blocks below, using the full 12 block piston range.

Just saying, it's been done since cocoa came out.

It's actually very easy to automate a cocoa farm, it's a bud switch with a sticky piston to "bump" the tree... just saying.

The hat mod is one of the very few that doesn't add actually blocks or functionality so it wouldn't ruin the game for anyone but as stated it's still a mod, requiring a modded client.

Relying on big projects like Forge and Bukkit is somewhat safe but to everything else I'd say no.

This isn't a Valve game, if the staff has to work on something I'd prefer that something to be improving the server and minimizing players drawbacks, not hats.

Small update regarding the railway system:

The first connection is in place and while it couldn't be done exactly as planned (pistons delay) it should still provide the same level of utility.

As soon as I'm sure that nobody can get hurt/stuck it will be open for everyone

For towns, a responsible mayor would keep 2-4 of the animals in a safe place where they could be bred again to restock. There really is no need for spawners.

For the sake of information I'm going to point out the differences in Spawners VS Dynamic spawn and this won't be a short post:

1)
We don't know.
This was going to be point 2 but I think it's the most important one: we don't know the rules.

What's the limit? What's the area? No numbers, no parameters, no nothing.
This is bothering enough people to cause multiple threads to pop up.
We don't know how this system actually works.

To have a proper idea of what's going on we need to know the mob limit per player, mob limit per area, total mobs on the server at once and the despawn threshold.

I've been asking this even before the server launched.

Those informations would clear any doubt without the need for further discussion over conjectures and extrapolations. We could set  town rules, design stuff and have less problems for everyone.
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2)
The main flaw: despawning, because "Dynamic" is not "Incremental".

Since I've seen it happening right in front of me, those 2-4 safe animals could despawn.
I'm assuming this can still happen since I havent' seen any announcement regarding changes to this system.
If they CAN'T despawn, then the system isn't dynamic at all and it will be clogged up.

A mayor can keep safe reserves, but it's impossible to control how much people will be breeding, luring, etc.

There must be a limit and when it's reached the system should redistribute the mobs depending on how many players are in a certain zone to keep things balanced.
Redistribution could cause "safe reserves" to disappear.

This is how it was advertised to work and the proper way to avoid having problems when getting new mobs.
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Now think about this worst case scenario:

If you have those 2-4 safe animals, you'll never kill them because you need them if something bad happens.
If more and more players are doing the same, what do you think will happen?
Eventually some of those mobs must go away, and it won't be pretty for the poor guy who's left with nothing.

A spawner is NOT a mob. 2 "parents" are indeed mobs.


Same worst case scenario with dynamic spawning VS spawners:

50 players in your town are keeping 2 animals of each kind as a safe reserve.
The limit is reached (I'm just making numbers up, but it's possible) and nobody will kill any of those animals because of course they need them.
Then you try to breed something and find out you can't.
Then, if the system is doing its job, a despawn will trigger and someone will be out of "parents".

With spawners:
Same 50 players but there's no need for safe reserves.
The limit is reached anyway (because it's possible) and the server triggers an automatic despawn.
Let's say 50% of the total mobs, but even 100% would be fine.

Any problems? Not really, because spawners aren't mobs and they will start to spawn mobs again.
For the same reason, spawners will never count towards any mob limit and the spawn rate can be fine tuned as needed.


Even if I'd prefer a more natural spawning system, I can't see how this could have any edge in terms of efficiency and stability over a seemingly way more solid solution.

Even if currently I can't play, this is probably the best event I've seen on the server.

The drops are random and so far I got both useful and valuable things

I get that almost constantly when mining stone in the town.
A place that can't have ores, so I don't even know why it's been implemented there.

I thought it was a result of the recent towny patch that somehow regenerated some chunks/blocks and, since there are no ores in towns, I also thought actual ores were being converted into stone as soon as they met with air blocks.

Now that I know how it actually works I think it's a terrible idea.
I can understand how mining people with F3 and ST picks are probably screaming at the screen.

This is just yet another solid hint that the dynamic system isn't redistributing mobs.
It's just preventing them to keep spawning in saturated areas.

I suspected this when talking about cows etc:
It's the same with people being able to get 40 animals while others struggling to get 10.

They stop spawning but what should be happening is having those 40 to gradually despawn as soon as someone else starts to spawn some more, especially if not a single one is dead after a while.
If there are 2 players, one with 40 and one with 0, the end result should be having both with 20 each.

If the server is able to hold X mobs at all times, do X/players and enforce that number at all times.

If a single player is able to hog all/most mobs while multiple players have problems finding even a single one the system is clearly not working as inteded.

The solution would be to have the script actually work as advertised: mantaining the mobs/players ratio the same for all loaded chunks (or otherwise specified areas of interest).

What felt to actually be missing is a dynamic (or at least better designed) despawn threshold.
A fixed threshold per player (that's what it actually looked like while testing) won't work cause it will turn the whole thing into a first come first served queue and the number of online players keeps changing.

What you are reporting supports this ^

Again, I can't have actual mathematical proof, these are just the conclusions I came to after testing things by myself and reading the experiences of other players.

I'm surprised by such a cave in compared to the imperative "NO" directed at each and every shop suggestion in the near past

The only thing that wasn't really needed was decreasing the price for towns, especially not in conjunction with the shop changes.

I have a question: considering that one can only vote once per day, how does a Top 10 work if there are something like 50 players all voting each single day?

Also, we have prizes for top voters for the same month during which the voting system (and Towny) has been bugged and yet another double XP weekend while Towny's bug is preventing people from working on the towns.

I'm sorry for the negativity but I find it hard to believe that I'm the only one not having fun playing if there's nothing to do in town.

The one who complained about the trees wasn't the OP and that is not the topic of this thread.
I mentioned the change in Treefeller only because it could have been relevant for the introduction of Woodcutting items in the /shop.

Get over with that please, else it will become a strawman argument.

Zeel01 nailed the problem on its head and I've yet to see an counter argument different from "then don't do it" or "it would be too easy".

The server never aimed to be plain vanilla MC. If you have to gather all you need by yourself then there's no use for the economy at all.


Alternative methods to gain money that don't involve mining for hours were listed.

From that list we don't have quests yet and everyone can see how mobs bounties are nowhere near being useful at the moment.

(I still have to test mobs near towns since there's been a crippling bug with towns chunks since the last server crash, but I guess it would be completely inferior to mining anyway while also being more risky)