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danniel1998

More Moderators o.o
« on: 2 Jun 2012, 13:30:39 »
Yes. It's another post about wanting more moderators for the server. At first there was only a handful of people agreeing with this idea, but now it's getting beyond a joke and a lot more serious. There's a high frequency of absence of moderators on the server. I know that this forum is here for when there are no moderators online, to report people of numerous rule breaking, but we shouldn't always have to rely on this forum. This server has moderators for a reason, to moderate the server, but there can't be any moderation on the server if no mods are online to effectively carry it out. I'm not entirely bothered about TZ's as long as it isn't another American mod, there's too many of them already. I'd preferably like to see an introduction of another European Mod personally. I've already read posts explaining that the server already has Geoboy66 and the Admins from England, but that isn't the point. The Admins are busy with more important errands and shouldn't have to deal with griefs etc. I hope this doesn't turn into a huge discussion but I really really really hope that someone, reading this, will think highly of it and take this on board.

achmedofhell

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« Reply #1 on: 2 Jun 2012, 13:38:24 »
I totally agree, there haven't been any mods on as much. I thought tidal was going to be on more for she said she is always on but as i can see she is never on. Licksterboy hasn't been on for a while either and Angel_Lord left. Aj, emp, and esp are the only 3 real active mods. Ineed is on at one time during the day which is at night EST. Geo isn't even on much either. Since the absence of mods there have been multiple people saying in global chat, any moderators on i was griefed. Or there is some guy spamming and no one is there to stop them. The admins could come on since they are in england and it is usually 7am EST when its 12pm in england. I really think we need the admins and INEED at least picking out either 1 or 2 more moderators that will do the job. Perhaps someone who has been active a lot and is trustworthy. I don't know how they are picked but i hope we can get around 1 more that can be on. Thank you for reading.

Miner_man123456

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« Reply #2 on: 2 Jun 2012, 14:00:17 »
I agree with Achmed i thought when we got Tidal as a moderator the server would be protected at least most of the day but how it looks now it is not 1 single mod on.

Me, Danniel and Achmed was on not long ago and all three of us was talking about needing more mods, i saw at least 5 posts about wildy builders that has been griefed or stolen from, this could off course not be rolledback og fixed in any way without being replaced by the player if a mod is not on and if the greifed item is a diamond block this would be a waste of money, a big waste of money, if the griefed person is a noob he wont wait to get his stuff replaced and start spamming/raging in the chat.

So as Achmed and Danniel has said we need more European mods at least from the time zone 8am GMT and 14pm GMT that is the time I see a big lack of not a single moderator

I hope this gets fixed as soon as possible, Thank You :)

- Miner_man

danniel1998

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« Reply #3 on: 2 Jun 2012, 14:05:19 »
Glad to see you two are on the same page as me.  :)

achmedofhell

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« Reply #4 on: 2 Jun 2012, 14:09:05 »
It doesn't even have to be from a certain timezone. If you see people on when other mods aren't then thats when we need mods. Im from EST and there are still no mods on :( i only see them at night when they all go to bed and or aj cause he is like central time i think so he is on a little late.

Waterworth

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« Reply #5 on: 2 Jun 2012, 14:16:02 »
Dylan, is looking very hard for new Moderators, and we will hopefully have some more moderators soon. At at the moment our moderators aren't on very much because of exams, which is understandable. So soon we should see an increase in staff members, when the exam season finishes.

danniel1998

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« Reply #6 on: 2 Jun 2012, 14:18:54 »
Well I hope he makes a good decision that will both benefit the server and the community.

Miner_man123456

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« Reply #7 on: 2 Jun 2012, 14:27:38 »
Well I hope he makes a good decision that will both benefit the server and the community.
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I agree Danniel

Jayjay36

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« Reply #8 on: 2 Jun 2012, 15:28:26 »
Or maybe a change of mods? I only ever see "we need more mods", but I'm just trying to look it at in every way I can, maybe we don't need more, just new? I'm not sure, no hate please :3  <3 lol.

Lord_Lewes

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« Reply #9 on: 2 Jun 2012, 15:34:03 »
I remember seeing several people saying "Where's a moderator when we need one!", I don't see the point of hiring people who are in the middle of exams, during other country's holidays. You should have some more moderators from around the globe to work at different time zones, not just mainly US.

Miner_man123456

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« Reply #10 on: 2 Jun 2012, 15:34:22 »
Or maybe a change of mods? I only ever see "we need more mods", but I'm just trying to look it at in every way I can, maybe we don't need more, just new? I'm not sure, no hate please :3  <3 lol.

Replace would work as well I think but getting new ones is maybe less "Sad" if I can say it that way :P

Jayjay36

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« Reply #11 on: 2 Jun 2012, 15:44:20 »

Replace would work as well I think but getting new ones is maybe less "Sad" if I can say it that way :P
I get what you mean, but look at it this way.. When you apply for moderator, you're agreeing to have the job of putting up with harsh situations if need be. You need to be online regularly. If you're barely online, are you sticking to what you promised in your application? Nope. More mods would possibly just pile on a bunch of AFK players in-game, but if the Admins were to try my suggestion then they'd see who the strong/loyal applicants are, wouldn't they?

masterrbc

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« Reply #12 on: 2 Jun 2012, 16:08:47 »
Some of the problems is, is that we aren't covering all of the time-zones, the pacific and Eastern Europe are some of the areas that need the mods the most. :/ It's just my input ;)

Jayjay36

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« Reply #13 on: 2 Jun 2012, 16:13:07 »
You're right Master, but like Daniel said above, it's getting beyond the joke.. For all timezones.

masterrbc

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« Reply #14 on: 2 Jun 2012, 16:41:41 »
Yes i agree, i personally have brought this issue up in that past, but have been told we have enough mods and that kind of stuff :/ so yeah

Look, we have been needing a pacific moderator for FAR TOO LONG, there have been numerous moderators added, but they have all been american, i am not saying this is bad, but to my consolation, it seems to be favoriting american times, i know that, that is not what it is, i am just saying is all, because we only have Geo who is an awesome mod from the UK, that is it. All of the other moderators are from America, we need more pacific and Eastern Europe Moderators, as i said before, i have brought this up many times in the past, but it has not only been passed down, i have also been told that there aren't any people who are wanting to be a mod in the Pacific(, which i have personally put my name up), and i have also been told that there we have too many mods.

 Now that said makes me think. "If we have too many mods, lets think about what the problem is. Is it because we have too many mods from one country or is it we need more mods?" A simple effective way to remove that barrier is to "Change" some mods, replace a few so that we can accommodate for other mods then.

Anyway, that is some more of my input ;)

danniel1998

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« Reply #15 on: 2 Jun 2012, 16:51:40 »
Thanks for sharing your views and opinions masterr, I appreciate it.

I don't think any TZ's are covered fully apart from the American ones, obviously. But maybe we shouldn't think all about timezones and think more about how well suited the applicants are for the job. After all you wouldn't want someone to become a moderator just because of where they live.

masterrbc

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« Reply #16 on: 2 Jun 2012, 16:56:31 »
Very true, but you also do not want a new moderator who is on at the exact same time as all the other moderators, who are not available to the rest of the server due to them all being in-bed asleep :)


Time-zones and quality of the moderators are important, but you must also think that the TZ must have GREAT consideration as to whether or not said mod is given the position, as i said, we do not want another mod coming on and going at the same time as the other mods, what is the point in having them then?

danniel1998

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« Reply #17 on: 2 Jun 2012, 17:00:59 »
Time zones must be a crucial aspect when being considered to be a Mod. But many people have already pointed out the gaps for moderators that must be filled to prevent further hassle and bother.
I guess all we have to do is wait for the new Mod to be chosen. :/

masterrbc

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« Reply #18 on: 2 Jun 2012, 17:02:07 »
Yeah, and since we know that the admins and Head-mod are listening, for the love of the angels sake, not another American, we got enough!!!!! :P XD

AlbatrosV5

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« Reply #19 on: 2 Jun 2012, 17:08:38 »
I thought tidal was going to be on more for she said she is always on but as i can see she is never on.
Technical problems, she`d love to be online atm, but you can`t help it if your Internet isn`t working. She was on for hours almost every day before that (during the Aussie/asia shift ;) ).

Or there is some guy spamming and no one is there to stop them.
/ignore [name]
And none of you tell me you are too lazy to type this few letters for an ignore (especially not those who claim with their modapplication that they would be willing to do far more work for the server than this little command) ;).




Need for a mod / "around the clock support"
This is a free server not a commercial one, so there are some things you can do on your own - like helping yourself against a spammer with a /ignore or reporting a griefer with a report on the forum (griefs rarely are critical enough that they couldn`t wait for a little time). As I said, the server not a commercial service but free for most of us, so the expectations of some in terms of being looked after all the time might be a bit high (especially from the viewpoint of the older gamers who aren`t used to be looked after all the time by their parents, teachers and older siblings any more). There might be a certain need for a new mod, but there are times when no mod is on and the community does a remarkable job of taking care of itself (answering questions of other members and guests, etc.). Aditional mods would certainly be fine but in my opinion the need is not critical enough to rush such a critical staff-decision.



Timeconsuming selection procedure
Let`s not forget that Ineed and the adminstaff have to check not only the applications for mods but also the shown willingness to help by these applicants (in good times and in bad times). I especially "like" it when those people complain in the game-chat about the "work to type in the /ignore command", that on the other hand apply for mod (which would mean a lot more work for them). Or when guest questions are ignored by applicants and only answered by those who don`t want to be a mod. That doesn`t make a decision easy for the staff.
They also have to check the calmness and attitude of the applicants. Those who get hotheaded whenever they feel criticised - those who get involved in too many teenage conflicts - those who are sulky because they haven´t been picked yet - they are probably not an easy pick for a mod-post that for example allows you to also read chats, they wouldn´t have access to as members. Chats in which people might actually talk about them. The staff has to pick mods that have shown they stand above those things, that can seperate being a player from being a mod.
So the decision is not as easy as it seems and the added pressure doesn`t help. A smart move for applicants might instead be to step up their efforts to relief the existing mod team as a member; to show that they are willing to do their share as members even if they someone else might get the modpost; to show that their character and sense of responsibility is suited for the post of a mod regardless their personal feelings towards other players and their ingame obligations.
I don`t think that the question amongst the staff is if there should be more mods, I think the problem the staff is facing is to find any applicants who are suited. Applicants who show a constant effort and performance (not only inside their towns/communities, but serverwide). Applicants who have shown that they can put aside personal feelings about past staffdecisions and regardless of that were still willing to help. Applicants who have shown that they can calmly handle criticism and even hostilities against their person (because that is what every mod must be able to face after some bans or similar decisions). Applicants who are willing to put aside their eagerness to become a mod and instead of adding pressure are willing to relieve the team by helping where they can as a member.
Maybe some applicants want to think about that, and ask themself if they want to become mod to BE a mod or because they want to help (in which case they might want to actually think about how much they have shown that in the last couple of weeks).

And to all those players that never want to become a mod (like me :P ): Even if you don`t want to become a mod, it doesn`t mean that you can`t help by simply answering questions of other players in the chat, taking care of some things yourself (like /ignore-ing spammers), or showing a little patience with the mods when they are really busy and can immediately come to you to check something.


Replacing mods
Jayjay, it is a valid consideration, but I don`t think it would be wise to replace any mods. The current mods have proven itself and there is no given limit to the number of mods. So why replace mods and keep the number of mods on the same level, instead of using the "possible replacments" to actually raise the numbers.
Even a mods that currently can online be online for short times (due to exams, real life, ...) is still a mod on.

So, in my opinion aditional mods - yes (carefully picked though, not a rushed decision), replacing the mods - no.

masterrbc

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« Reply #20 on: 2 Jun 2012, 17:17:46 »
Alot of people, including myself, JJ, Danniel and sooo many others do all we can to help, so there is some, if not a fair bit of pressure that gets taken off the mods minds, but i do see where you come from, and i'll be honest, i personally feel i would be upto the challenge :) The hard part about being a mod to me, i see it as more of a challenge than some job to just do, the harder the task, the funner the time and the reward :) any challenge and obstacle can be overcome when you see it as a challenge, and nothing else, that is how i see trying to help others and stopping the people who do/threaten to do bad things! :/

anyway i am off to bed, my mind is cloudy! XD

Jayjay36

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« Reply #21 on: 2 Jun 2012, 17:52:53 »
When I said "replacing mods", I didn't intentionally mean remove all the moderators we currently have and give the placements to other players, that would just be dumb because the current staff team is great, there is staff that I'd like see, keeping their title as moderator because when they're online I know that I don't need to worry about troublesome players coming on the server. Personally I believe there should be some adjusting or additions.

danniel1998

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« Reply #22 on: 2 Jun 2012, 17:56:31 »
Personally I believe there should be some adjusting

I second that.

EttaDreamfeather

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« Reply #23 on: 2 Jun 2012, 18:19:08 »
Felt like posting here for two separate things.

1, the issue of TidalMewMew not being on as much.
Trust me, she's dying to be able to get on every day. She lost her internet because her mom can't even afford it anymore. Their Paypal was hacked by her mother's jealous ex-boyfriend so they can't use that anymore and she's hardly getting enough money to even afford gas so that's shut off. She's now even lost her phone because her father let the contract end and never renewed it.

She's only able to access the internet now because she can go to her grandma's every so often and get on a laptop there, but she can't access Minecraft for some reason because the browser never works for it and she can't download it. She is try to fix it though, she's trying to get a job to get money together to pay for a new phone and internet, so I'm hoping soon she'll be able to moderate like she used to.

2, about the mods not being as active.
I hate to say it, but Minecraft is not as important as passing college and high school exams. Yes, they signed up to be moderators. But they did not sign up to completely cripple their grades and fail their exams just to take care of us, now did they? It's very selfish to demand them to be on all the time when it can take hours just to study for one single exam. And they've got several.

You're really going to demand them to be on 24/7 when they have higher priority things right now? It's very cruel towards the kindness they've shown before when they would get on outside of their sleep times and when they normally wouldn't just to check on us. They're devoted to us, why are we not as devoted to them and respectful that they want to make sure their life won't be screwed over by the exams they are taking?

Let's all just cool down here from getting on their cases and calmly wait for them to get back on, as well as waiting for the admins and mods to choose a good new mod that's needed in any timezone that's currently not covered during the regular moderator's schedules.

I'm certainly looking forward to potentially having better coverage since I don't like having to see people saying that for hours normally they don't see a mod. I know what that's like, and I don't want it for anyone. :/

danniel1998

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« Reply #24 on: 2 Jun 2012, 18:26:22 »
Really Twisted, really? Obviously there are reasons that Tidal can't be on, but I hated reading that. I find it very rude of you to be posting about her personal life on here for everyone to read.

Also, we never demanded that the mods needed to be on 24/7, because I for one understand that mods are normal people and have real life situations to attend to. All we want is for there to be more moderators, not more active ones if they have real life events.