Quote from: 86MaxSmart on 18 Jan 2014, 00:18:06

Maybe it's because i can't view the map in 3D yet, but all four of my favorite 1.7 biomes don't seem to be present.  Roofed Forest (Black Forest), Mesa (Bryce), Ice Plains Spikes, and Flower Forest.  I might be missing something though.  Also, would it be possible to add a smaller alternate wilderness map that has been generated by a random minecraft seed?

My first impression with the Town World was "this is clearly not the default terrain generation".
Seems to me all the area around spawn is carefully manifactured, with clearly visible circles of trees/rough terrain around flattened land.

I'd rather have a natural looking land that I could _choose_ to flatten to build a town and a wilderness world that is truly wild.

Yes, that was exactly my point.  If the land has been manufactured and features are repeated throughout (like islands), it feels like it has already been explored and crafted for me.  I'd rather to do that myself.  That's why I asked if an alternate wilderness map could be generated from a truly random looking minecraft seed.  I also was hoping for some of those biomes I listed.  The 1.7 seeds are amazing.

I to feel that the worlds look quit artificial.
As you might know I am a lover of the wild, would have also preferred it to look wild.
Walking around in it might give a different perspective, from above it looks a bit 'disneyland' to me.
But thats the eye in the sky view, from down below I suspect that feeling will fade.

Yeah... welll, sorry if I can't see the 3D world on a 2D map.

Your not alone Darkwings, I can't either.  Dynamap does have a feature where you can "see" the world in a quasi-perspective view whereby you can view it and move around at an angle above the surface.  This allows you to view the map in virtual 3D as you can see elevations as well.  Apparently, this is suppressed, not included, or takes up too much data space for it to be shown here.  It's pretty amazing, if any of you have ever seen it.

from above it looks a bit 'disneyland' to me.

Whoa, that is freaky Dope, Disneyland was the analogy in my mind also.  lol.

I to feel that the worlds look quit artificial.
As you might know I am a lover of the wild, would have also preferred it to look wild.
Walking around in it might give a different perspective, from above it looks a bit 'disneyland' to me.
But thats the eye in the sky view, from down below I suspect that feeling will fade.

It is very normal in game, I can assure you. I understand how the map, may look flashy or simply jam packed full of different colour and shapes, when traditionally the world would be a lot more random and mixed.

Try the 3d view option and check out some areas. You'll still probably notice the surreal 'look' to the world of it being quite fantasy etc. but that's just because you are looking from a perspective which is not view able in-game.

Yeah... welll, sorry if I can't see the 3D world on a 2D map.

All I've seen (and referred to as "flat land") were clearly manmade circles of trees/grass around plains and equally manmade rivers, together with the statement "consider building a town on a river".

You can see the 3D view. If you read the original post without being instantly negative and judgmental, you might have found the information about the 3D rendering. I would have preferred players to have a reserved judgement until actually physically experiencing the world, placing a damper or negative attitude around something you haven't physically interacted with in-game is quite annoying and doesn't help the community. This world has taken a lot of work and creating a false judgement of a world based on a top-down map view, is simply irritating.

"Feels like for some reasons the admins thought that no one wanted to build a mountain village, a lake district or anything different from a featureless place with houses."

This being most notable. I've ran the server for 2, almost 3 years and I am fully aware what most town owners like to do and how most towns are expanded, the world was thought and created upon those experiences. Whilst I understand no two people are the same creating a negative outlook on our world is not helping the community, nor being positive about 'town life'.

That is all I have to say on the matter, I know you probably meant no harm in your comments but when you've put as many hours into this project as I, I do find picking on a world based upon the view of a live map annoying.

Is this not the 3D you were referring to?

Yes, that's it, but the resolution and navigation are pretty poor.  It was suppressed exactly like I said it might be.  I have seen it previously with the 3D as the default.

Fatnoob,

Did you ever consider asking some of your most dedicated players what they might like or not like for V6 before all the development work started?  I know I was in the top 10 in total time spent in V5.  I was in the top 5 in time after V6 was announced.  If that doesn't count as dedicated, I don't know what does.  I was also a multiple time donator.  I don't recall ever being asked what preferences I might have, or what's important to me.  Not only that, but I (just like everyone else) lost everything (mcmmo, builds, money, special items, etc., etc., etc...) especially all the time I invested.  I wasn't given one lick of consideration, not one.  When I try to suggest something important to me it is dismissed every single time.  You might want think a moment about who really has a right to be annoyed at this point.

Max

Fatnoob,

Did you ever consider asking some of your most dedicated players what they might like or not like for V6 before all the development work started?  I know I was in the top 10 in total time spent in V5.  I was in the top 5 in time after V6 was announced.  If that doesn't count as dedicated, I don't know what does.  I was also a multiple time donator.  I don't recall ever being asked what preferences I might have, or what's important to me.  Not only that, but I (just like everyone else) lost everything (mcmmo, builds, money, special items, etc., etc., etc...) especially all the time I invested.  I wasn't given one lick of consideration, not one.  When I try to suggest something important to me it is dismissed every single time.  You might want think a moment about who really has a right to be annoyed at this point.

Max

You're acting as if you're extremely special out of the thousands of overall members to this site. You aren't any more special than any other user. Joe and the other admins took their own personal time to make these worlds. I understand you might not like the fact that you didn't get a say in how every block was placed, but when it comes down to it, no one did. No one but the admins. They wanted to make a world that had many different things in it to try to satisfy everyone. They did this all before 1.7 was released, which added all those new biomes. And then, they had to hold off their release because of 1.7 and their own lives. So what if they don't add the natural biomes? I sure as heck don't care because I've always loved everything the admins have built for us players.

Also, you say you're one of the most dedicated? Have you spent hours helping this server to run? Have you been on this server since the beginning, watching it grow, change, and adapt to all the new members and new updates to the game? No, you haven't. Mostly only the admins have, with a few members who have stuck around this long.

Now, stop whining, please, and let the admins do what they've always done: run this amazing server, site, and community to the best of their abilities.

To add to this, I want to personally thank Joe, James, and Lawrence for making these worlds for us. They're amazing in my eyes and I can't wait to explore and build in them!

I was speaking for all of us dedicated members esp, using me as an example.  None of us were asked and if Fatnoob is annoyed (whinning as you call it) he might want to look at the rest of us and what we've gone through.  That is the point.  How dare you claim that I think I'm more special than anyone else.  You couldn't be more wrong.

Ok, let's try to calm down everyone and be polite.

Careful Maxl, if you say you speak for all dedicated players, it would seem to mean that in your opinion Esp and me (and other people who you are not speaking for) are no dedicated players. Of course you could actually think that because we have not placed in some toplist of "time spent playing", in that case please be reminded that things like families or work can really be timekillers and the time online in a game doesn't necessarily reflect on the dedication to the project itself. But I'll just assume that this would actually be just a misinterpretation of your words and that you did not mean to imply such things.
However to avoid such missunderstandings please don't claim to speak for others unless they actually told you to do so and you really know their opinions, people might take offense in that and it might just lead to said misunderstandings and wrong impressions that I believe we all would rather avoid.
The same goes for the statement in the way of "I should have asked me because I'm Nr 10/5 in toplist XYZ", that statement might lead to the wrong impression that you put yourself and your opinions and ideas for the server above others who are not on that toplist. Let's just try to avoid such misunderstandings in the future.

Now don't get me wrong, you have of course the right to be annoyed, but Fatnoob has the same right, especially since he is the one who is putting a lot in this project - especially if people criticize things without even having seen them yet like real map ingame. Just wait untill you see the real map so you can be sure that your assumptions are not just based on a misleading map-perspective. So maybe it's time to ask yourself if what you have seen on Noobstown the last 3 years is good enough that you can actually give the serverteam the benefit of the doubt and trust that they will use their experience to make the choices that will be right for the majority of players.

What I honestly really fail to see (probably my mistake) is the big deal about what people here "have gone through" and what there is to be annoyed about that in the first place. The server wasn't availabe for a few months, we lost some virtual goods (that do not have any value in the real world).
That's really a small price for
1. getting a new server with new opportunities to play on
2. having a good live where this is actually something to "have gone through" compared to lives of people who have gone through real losses or real conflicts. Believe me, once you've seen people dying in your hands working in a hospital or saw what people are capable of doing in realworld wars words like "have gone through something" means a lot more than just a little serverdowntime and some blocks being lost due to a server upgrade.
Think about what you have really lost, realize that it was just a few pixels and bytes. Remeber the times you invested to get them and realize that you now have the chance to have that same fun and challenge again - Isn't virtual survival more fun if you start new than just sitting on a bunch of chests full of everything and being bored by the lack of challenge? .
Think about those ideas of yours that have not been implemented and realize that not everyone would have enjoyed those ideas and that the serverteam tries to reach a consensus that benefits all players alike.
Think about the time you couldn't play due to the upgrade and the rather unfortunate delay. And then remember how much fun it will be to see all those people again who have left the server bored of the old V5-stuff, returning to see the new V6-stuff.
Think about Fatnoob reacting a little annoyed in reaction to your annoyance, and realize that despite him being the one and only godly overlord of noobstown *praise be to his name* he too is actually just some dude working his butt off on this server and having feelings (and a justified pride in his work) and nerves (worn thin enough already by all the technical challenges). So cut this poor chap some slack and try to say something nice about the things you like about the V6 instead.

Maybe it will help you see that actually everything could work out just fine with V6.

Now all these changes, excitement for some/apparent disappointment for others, and of course the long wait (due to the unfortunate and long delay) are taking a toll on everyones nerves (including Fatnoob, Eps, me, herobrine). So maybe it is time to take a deep breath, look at the countdownclock and try to find inner peace, smile and repeating the mantra "All will be fine. All will be fine. All will be fine."

"All will be fine. All will be fine. All will be fine. All will be fine. Oh come on you darn thing start counting down!"

I was speaking for all of us dedicated members esp, using me as an example.  None of us were asked and if Fatnoob is annoyed (whinning as you call it) he might want to look at the rest of us and what we've gone through.  That is the point.  How dare you claim that I think I'm more special than anyone else.  You couldn't be more wrong.

I haven't seen much "dedication" lately when it comes to you, first off all that other servers thats "better" because it does things different then we do, lets be honest if you say such things over and over again are you truely dedicated to this server? Second we are a special server, we have always been we now have a very unique map, which is to please as much people as we can, that ofcourse does not mean we can please everyone, but that doesnt mean either that a couple of rotten apples should spoil the whole bag. We give you the freedom to change the area to your likings, if you cant do that then why even bother us with it.
I apologize if this feels very hostile towards you, but to be honest I got kinda sick of all this negative talk.

Just a note: since this is really going too far, please avoid quoting my previous post together with other stuff not coming from me.

The facts:
-The map offers an isometric view, not in-game 3D as the pics Fatnoob posted.
-The map is all I have at my disposal to make up my mind.
-Indeed the screenshots looks amazing, but I can't see that in the map and it takes quite a bit to load for me, so I judged based on what I could see in a 10 minutes scrolling.
-I failed to spot those underpasses, canyons and good stuff and focused on the "suspiciously convenient green circles around flattened land".
-It's been confimed that the land is partially manmade, with convenient access routes to wild spots.

If there are the 1.7 default biomes out there, good.
I couldn't find them in a 10-minutes scrolling, or I failed to recognize them hence my previous comments.

FYI: you can edit a quote, so when you quote something make sure to keep it in context.

You have not been listening/looking,
-first of all it doesnt matter if the map is not 3d, you judge on a map from a high up "eagle view", which is nothing like you will see it ingame, its just not the way to judge a map properly.
-I just posted the video of the custom biomes again, are you to ignorant to watch something before you post?
-Again like above, watch the video then you kinda get the idea other then that just wait for the actual release then, before you judge.

And yet again, you fail to pay attention to what has been said over the past months since the first delay of the release, I ask you nicely read every single v6 related thread, before you even start thinking about posting.

Yet again I apologize to people who feel like im being very hostile, but I hope people understand.
EDIT:
Also a question, to people who dont like the server as it is, then why are you still here?
Critism is fine, but complaining is different.

Post locked.

I think the post has gone far overboard and it is turning into a brawl. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I do respect that, I do listen to the community, but never one person; everyone. When I plan, prepare or create something I will think about the community as a whole, not the needs or wants of one person. Throughout the process of v6 I have shared numerous threads, videos, images and general information about what we are providing, the direction we are taking and completely opening the version to feedback and suggestions. We've tried to be responsive, reassure and take into account what the community is asking for and that is what we have done. If you personally don't like one small factor of the server, there are plenty of other positives to keep playing.

This community was built on friendship and happiness. For the past three years I've come across some of the most dedicated, friendly and heart warming players that I've ever met on any game and I  completely appreciate the needs and wants of our players. Whilst we are all in a tense environment of 'wait' and just general sickness of the down time, we shouldn't allow that to get between the memories we've shared as a community and how we are as people and players in the game.

I hope v6 will continue to provide that happiness and the platform for many memories and friendships to built well into the future. So, let's just enjoy Minecraft and have a good time on ye old Noobstown.

Thank you all,